I just finished watching the second Spidey film on DVD, and it was excellent. One of the reasons I think it was so excellent was the way it combined solid action with a great story and heart-felt and uplifting side, succeeding where many other super-hero-to-movie transitions have failed. I'm just worried about the direction the sequels might take now. One of the problems with the Spider-man comics is that some of the villains are kinda corny, and wouldn't do so well on the big-screen. I also hope they don't drag the movies on for too long; I don't want it to become like Superman, where you've got about 5 (or more) movies which get gradually more cheesy as they progress. Batman was kind of the same, but the big difference there was that the movies were not necessarily very connected and were not reliant upon each other, where as Spidey 1 & 2 have a fairly interwoven story. I think it might be nice to wrap it up in a trilogy and leave the series without raping our fond memories or enjoyment.

The main issue that I think will determine the quality and success of the next film is the villain. I personally think the best ones are already taken (Green Goblin and Doc-Ock), but I don't know the comics so well, so I can't say for certain. I did watch the animated Spider Man series back in '94-'97 though and have a fair understanding of the story. I saw this post on the IMDB forums which I found informative - http://imdb.com/title/tt0413300/board/nest/14099015 It seems that the primary candidates are Green Goblin II (Harry Osborne), the Lizard, or Venom (easily one of the darkest characters in the Spider-man universe). One villain that wasn't mentioned which I thought might be a good candidate was the Kingpin, but I don't know if he was in the comics or if he has any powers, I only remember seeing him in the cartoons. I personally think it will probably be another Green Goblin since Spidey 2 had a scene close to the end where Harry finds his father's lair. I'm not sure if this is the best choice though, since Goblin was a fairly weak villain and it would be a bit repetitive. According to the post on IMDB venom would be way to hard to squeeze into one two hour movie and would seem a bit surreal (some weird alien thing from another planet) since the series is much more "realistic" than the comics in many ways (which I think is a major improvement). Plus, apparently Sam Raimi (the director) doesn't like the character. Lizard would be good in that he can move around and climb (a feature lacking in the goblin which I think hindered the flow of some of the action sequences in the film). However, he seems like a bit of a weak villain as well. :-\

Who do you think should be the next villain (I apologize if the poll doesn't have enough options)?

Why would anyone want to see crap like goblin over venom?

Well they've sort of set the stage for venom.. but the return of the green goblin seems pretty inevitable. So I'm guessing goblin again, but I'd rather see venom. He's a much more interresting character.

Hobgoblin, Venom, maybe Kingpin introduced.

If they do venom, he (it?) will almost certaintly be computer generated, b/c thats the only way to capture the fluidity of the character. I hope they don't f*** it up.

The introduced three potential villains in SPidey 2: Venom (John Jameson), The Lizard (Dr. Connors) and Green Goblin II.

I think Harry will follow in his father's footsteps and there will be another villian of sorts so as no to make it similar to the first movie.

Haven't Maguire and Dunst said that SP3 is going to be the last one? If that's the case, it's definitely going to be Harry. Raimi doesn't even like Venom.

Well if he wants to make a successful movie he'll have to get over that. No one wants to see basically the same villain again, thats retarded.

Plus most people like Venom... Raimi is just a retard.

I don't like Venom.

I'm with you and Sam Raimi, then.

Venom is like the Gambit of Spider-Man...both characters are just the epitome of what the creators believe the kids will think is cool. And that's corny. Unfortunately, it works...so everyone's yelling at Hollywood for Venom to be in the next Spider-Man movie, and Gambit in the next X-Men movie...

And what a coincidence, Bryan Singer hates Gambit, too...but he's not directing the next X-Men movie. Hopefully, though, the next director will see what Singer and Raimi do.

But this is about Spider-Man. And in regards to that, I'm all for Harry as Green Goblin 2. But not with the same costume...maybe some sort of home-made, lookalike thing Harry whips up. Purple cloak and all. But I trust Raimi, whoever he chooses should fit the story perfectly.

I think that if Spiderman 3 is the last movie, it had better feature the ultimate villain, Venom.

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Voting for Green Goblin/Hobgoblin. I don't think the Lizard is likely; in Spider-Man 2 Dr. Connors just seemed like a teacher, and not a scientist. Could be they were saving that side of him until the sequel though, I don't know. Neither do I think it will be Kingpin, because I don't see how he can be properly introduced, developed, and defeated within the space of 2 hours or so. I don't like Venom either, I never got what was so appealing about him/it.

The Kingpin was already done in Daredevil.

I'd like to see venom, but I doubt I will... It'll probally be another green goblin afair.

I personally like Venom. Read the first comic with Venom in it, I think its Amazing Spider-Man #300 or something. Todd MacFarlane was on the artist team at the time. Then you'll find what's so appealing. That and Maximum Carnage.

Anyway, I think that they might bring two villans into the movie. Probably Harry as the Green Goblin and the Lizard. Harry could possibly be moved to be the Hobgoblin, just to make it different. Even though the Hobgoblin was Rodrick Kingsley, Jason Macendale and Ned Leeds:P.... something tells me I'm a bit of a Spider-man Fanatic...And the Kingpin had no powers. He was just really strong and quick for a large man. And very manipulative.

edit: Also, how did they sort of set the stage for Venom anyway? I never caught that...

i read articles on SP3 and venom wont be in it

the hobgoblin and i think the lizard is, i kinda forgot the whole article rofl

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From IMDb trivia:

Bruce Campbell was originally slated to fill the role of Dr. Connors. Consequently, an early draft of the script, with Campbell cast as Dr. Connors, called for the Lizard to make an appearance toward the end of the film, to which Doctor Octopus, knowing that Spider-man is Peter, would have tried to help him subdue the Lizard. That angle was dropped because Raimi, if he is on to direct the next film, plans on using the Lizard as the primary villain (alongside Harry Osborn as the next Green Goblin), and did not want the villain to simply be a minor nuisance. Raimi also knew that most people would immediately recognize Bruce Campbell, and recall his comical performance from the first film as the wrestling promoter, and he did not want Dr. Connors to be a recycled actor.

you take that back right now. have you even seen evil dead, evil dead 2 or army of darkness?

??? I'm confused... some one of are saying Jameson was host to venom.. Eddie Brock was, wasn't he?

Anyways, Carnage > Venom in a million ways.
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Yes it was Eddie Brock in the cartoon and comic. I want Venom too, special effects wise, he would be very impressive if they could pull him off.

yeah, I want to know where you guys are getting Jameson as Venom at anyway. I know Eddie Brock hasn't been introduced( Unless you count the mentioning of his name in the first movie)

Gambit is NOT a 'the kids will like him' character, what the hell are you talking about? Gambit is interwoven with the rest of the group, AS is venom and carnage in the spiderman sereise.

Personally, I don't care who the next villian is: The same actor will play spiderman, and they'll continue to rape the amazing storyline set up by the comics. Ruining them by making a movie and creating dozens of time paradoxes isn't just fitting it into a movie, it's not making the same characters. Suddenly, half the characters aren't who they're supposed to be at all. Their motives are off, their emotions are completelly incorrect, and the entire magic of my memories of spiderman are flushed down the toilet.

Ivan would be the absolutelly BEST boss, but of course, since he's not superpowered or whatnot, you won't see him here.

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Well, I just remember seeing that episode of the cartoon where John Jameson is on the moon (maybe mars, can't remember) and he finds this weird rock or something. After he picks it up, Venom seeps out of the rock and manages to get on board the spacecraft and is transported back to earth. I vaguely recall Venom taking over Jameson once he got back to earth, but I guess I was wrong.

How did they set the stage for Venom? You never met Eddie Brock in the movie. And don't give me that John Jameson stuff that people claim. You can NOT change the character. Seriously, if they make him John Jameson there will be a huge backlash. And on top of that, Jameson doesn't know he lost his fiancee to Spider-Man.

If they make anyone other than Brock as Venom, it'd be like making Bruce Wayne Superman or Clark Kent Batman. It just can't work.

I still voted for Venom though.

Didn't Stan Lee say the spiderman movies were really accurate to the comics? How could they be raping the storyline set by the comics when the writer of the comics said it was accurate to the comics? Maybe I'm wrong but I remember watching an interview with Stan Lee about the Spidey movies and he nothing but high praise for them.

It's not raping the comics, but it is pretty darn accurate to the comics. Octopus never found out who Spidey was. He is also so frigging insane that he would never help Spider-Man, he'd kill him and everyone else first. Goblin died by being impaled by his glider through the chest, but they both know who they were under the mask first. They are VERY accurate, with very subtle changes.

In many ways, I'm glad Raimi (and others I'm sure) have changed some of this. The comics always seemed a bit too "toony" to me, whereas the movies, I think, blend reality with the unbelievable really well. The Spider-man movies are much more down to earth than super-hero movies like Batman, and several others. I think people find it easier to relate with the characters, and that's one of the reasons, IMO why it's succeeded where most super-hero movies haven't, receiving both Box-office and critical acclaim.

I thought it was hilarious how he put elements of his B Movies in Spider-Man. The hospital scene in Spider-Man 2 reminded me so much of Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness. If Ash had been there though, Doc Ock would of been dead.

I did wonder if that scene had origins elsewhere. ALthough it wasn't gory, it still seemed very dark for a PG-13 movie. What do you think?

There isn't a scene in any of the movies that is similar to that, I'm just saying the atmosphere, combined with the lack of music, all you hear is screaming and sound effects, then you hear the guy going for the chainsaw, etc. It just reminded me of Evil Dead as far as atmosphere. I'm willing to bet he did that on purpose too.

You see it later in the movie too, I can't remember where. I think it was at the bank scene where he battles Doc Ock.

Daft_Vader, I haven't seen that episode in years, but I vaguely recall that part. Yeah, it did, but then he went for Spidey. Then Spidey rejected the suit after a battle with Shocker. Eddie Brock was caught in the middle of that and webbed up. The symbiot then bonded with Brock.

I'm not saying they don't make sense as part of the Spider-Man and X-Men universe's, I'm saying that every detail about them is designed so that they'll be everyone's favourite character.

Gambit's got the long hair, the accent, the red eyes, the trench coat, and he throws exploding cards...

Venom's got that black costume and the huge teeth, and he's so misguided that he seems evil but the fans can't help but cheer for him to help out the good guys...

And for these reasons, they're just a bit corny and over the top. Not my favourite's. That's all.

I still wish I had my Carnage action figure. That thing was cool.

Jesus Christ, do you like anything?!

Yeah, it held some truth to that. In the comics, he originally found out it was alive fighting this guy called Puma, who could smell that it was alive. He went to Mr Fantastic and they found out it was alive and managed to contain it. The thing met the son of Mr Fantastic and Invisible Woman and got petrified of the 4 year old kid. The thing managed to escape and found Spider-Man again.

This time he was at the church and used the church bells to get the thing to come off. Down in the church praying was Brock, totally oblivious to what was coming towards him.

In the cartoon he got webbed up and the thing went down the web and got him.

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I figured the answer to that was painfully obvious....

Venom is Eddie Brock, Venom is Eddie Brock, Venom is Eddie Brock. John Jameson only played a second rate villian called Man-Wolf.