http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1434680,00.html



Look for pictures of Endor and walking carpets being introduced to that courtroom shortly.

I hope that guy and lawyer burn in their respective Hells.

Oh crap. We didn't give the terrorists enough respect...

But many prinsoners at Abu Ghraib haven't been proven as legit terrorists yet....

Well cry me a river, at least they didn't have their heads sawed off or be mass excecuted like the American civilians and iraqis under "insurgent" capture.

You know, as bad as this may sound, but I agree with Agent-Smith... a bit. But still, we should be better then that.

ZING!

....I hope my school's cheerleaders wise up, they've been doing it wrong it seems. They kept their clothes on.... and looked like they were having fun.

I could be wrong but I don't think these prisoners were terrorists. The terrorist imprisonment issue is a seperate issue. These guys were probably criminals or suspected criminals being held for various reasons.

Especially as prisoners, they should be free from the type of criminal abuse they suffered at the hands of sexual predators. I also have never once heard any government official condone that sort of treatment even for terrorists. In fact, the government seems to be enthusiatically prosecuting those criminals.

From what I've heard, there were a few suspected insurgents, but they were mostly either petty criminals or people who didnt have correct ID when stopped and searched at military checkpoints. Either way, prisoner abuse is wrong.

Of course prisoner abuse is wrong. That's why we, as a country, don't tolerate it. Now, there are some things that are not abuse that some are trying to wrap into this same issue.

If your only argument is that "at least we aren't as bad as they are," then what's the point of fighting terrorists at all? Let's not become that which we despise. If this were done to Americans you would condemn it (and rightfully so).

Additionally, of those in Iraqi's prisons: 70-90% were arrested by mistake and thus are innocent people.

I saw this on CNN. I don't know what's the most disgusting, the fact that people are defending it, or the fact that alot of people will buy that excuse.

You know, I just realized that none of use would give a damn if someone wasn't dumb enough to bring a camera along...

No, we wouldn't know anything. Ignorance is not the same thing as antipathy.

They have to be defended, but the fact that some of the lawyers are civilian lawyers is what's taking down this absurd road.

Agreed. I'd love to see the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders do pyramids naked. Maybe then I'd care about football.

They have to have some argument.

Torture has to do with pain, so it's not really torture. It probably could come under molestation, and some sort of humiliation charge though. Well, I hope they convict this weasel soon, what ever they get him with.

Obi is offended me. Ban plz.

your thread title is misleading and has nothing to do with this thread... for that you will burn

Actually, isn't the title something from South Park? Something with a lawyer trying to defend his client using some silly argument like that?

(sue me if I state the obvious, but I'm not entirely certain)

Er... he's a lawyer. It's his job to defend people accused of crimes, and someone would have to defend these people no matter what because they have the right to competent legal counsel.

I'm not entirely sure I could call that type of legal counsel competent. But then again, what argument are you going to use?

to those people who think that the abuse was justified because they are only getting slightly better treatment than they give their own prisoners, I have six words to say.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

OT: wohoo, I ninja edited.

ok carry on.

True. Considering the task he's been given, it's hard to imagine that he could do any better.

True, but I don't think a military lawyer would take such an odd defense. It would have been handled much differently.

<3!!!

Who would take a case like that you ask? Perhaps Lionel Hutz.....

But Chewie lived on Kashyyk ...

Just because a human being is your enemy doesn't mean you have any right to break any policies one might have. The actions witnessed at Abu Ghraib is not only childish, but it's racist and everything our country doesn't stand for. Humiliating your PoW only encourages the exremist muslims to continue with their beliefs: While they're not going to stop if this doesn't go on, it makes it harder for us to plead any arguments against them when it comes to world order and our diplomacy with other countries. I don't think half of you realize how importent America's image is. We're not trying to win a popularity contest: We're trying to hold onto the "friends" we have, so that we can remain the strongest power in the world.

It amazes me how many times a day my father suggests throwing out diplomacy and "Doing whatever the **** we want! We're the most powerful country in the world." The thing is, if we piss everyone off, we then have the world against us. The world against the most powerful country within that world is self contridicting in logical order, not to mention realistically impossible.

JediKirby

If you can condone sexual molestation in prisoners of war, you might as well condone the use of torture and sexual molestation in our prisons as well. Though what purpose that would serve, I have no idea.

I have no sympathy for people convicted of crimes but what those guards did was utter BS, completely stupid and pointless.

It's people like that that make people whine about the US even more like we told them to do it. I wish the guards that did that would be locked up right next to the people they did that to.

They had NO RIGHT to take matters into their own hands, especially considering it wasn't like the prisoners were getting out of a hand. It was just...stupid.

Good job!

Forcing women to have sex is not rape, because American husbands and wives do it every year.



All those terrorists who are so guilty as to have not even enough evidence against them for a flimsy military trial? The ones who are so guilty that the US government has finally decided after three years to let go, due to international outcry?