... Where in my post did I mention Einstein's postulates? I was commenting about the limitations of astronomy and the speed of light in relation to BH's "free will" comment.



No, you're at the same moment of time he is, it will simply take many years before the light from his snapshot reaches you.

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To expand on above comment further.

You and person seperated by many light-years are in the same reference frame so long as you are not moving. As soon as one moves, you are not longer in the same reference frame albeit the difference in time is nearly negligable.

To note on the quantum physics point. Everyone who was "taught" that an atom orbits at a fixed point...it's wrong. It's actually a "cloud" surrounding the nucleus. You can NEVER pinpoint with exact certanty the location of any given electron.

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is this because of the shortcomings of technology or a theory/principle/spongecake?

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Stop putting words in my mouth. You DIDN'T mention his postulates, I never said you did. What I DID say is that your comment only pertained to his first postulate where as the part of BH's post that you quoted pertained more to his second postulate.

And, btw, if you were referring to BH's "free will" comments, you should of quoted him of that segmant (which you did not).

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Try not, do; or do not.

It's Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

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its been a while, i'll have to look that up

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... I was referring to his "separate past present future" comment, not commenting directly on Einstein's postulates.


-Fox

Yes, and your responds only took the First postulate into consideration. His past/present/future comment pertains more to Einstein's Second postulate. It doesn't matter if you were directly reffering to Einstein's postulate or not, it's the fact that you only took the first postulate into consideration when you responded. Which is why I continued your post with my comment. I was expanding your responds to take the second postulate into consideration as well.

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You also said I was forgetting the twin paradox (which I was not interested in discussing) as well as the second postulate. Since you have me going back to page one, this comment jumped out at me:



What do you mean by "theology"?


-Fox

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Don't argue semantics with Friend14, he doesn't speak the same english that we do.

Also, perhaps you should discuss the subject and not discuss the discussion?

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That's what I want to do. I haven't heard back from Bounty Hunter about my earlier comments. I really don't see how "free will" is affected by viewing objects great distances away.


-Fox

I have absolutely nothing to this conversation other then this:



<3 farscape

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Firefox:

I may be wrong, but I'm not talking about how the speed of light makes it so that I'm viewing things in space as they were when the light began its journey toward my eyes. That has nothing to do with the idea I brought up.

I'm almost certain that time itself, and not light, is relative, and the moment I'm experiencing now is not the same moment that another moving galaxy may be currently experiencing. Like how time slows down as one approaches the speed of light.

Because of that a point in the universe may still be in the relative time that, for example, Lincoln is still alive. And another point under different physical conditions may be in the relative time that the results of the upcoming election have already been decided.

Based on that I thought that since the moment I'm about to experience already occured somewhere else one might be tempted to think that it is destined, having already happened from some place's perspective.

I'm probably off though.

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Or was it that you can never accurately measure the speed and velocity of an electron? Or was that a different part of the atom?

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I've been able to calculate speed and even acceleration of an electron before.

The best way of determining the position is using probability functions and Schrõdinger's Equation. It's...not pretty to look at so I will spare you all.


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Frankenquation

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Stupid Schrodinger cat...

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Hiesenberg(sp?) Uncertainty Principal: The more accurate you are about an electron's position, the less accurate you can be about it's velocity, and vice-versa.

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Damn .. good freakin read .. haha I was suprised, I thought this would be another thread full of bickering .. but damn it's a good read full of intelligent "debate" haha

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Yeah I proved relativity wrong by setting up a tire on a rope on the tree in my back yard. You see it works like this, I swing the tire around in a circle and then swing at it like a pinata (with a aluminum rod). According to my greenpeace brochure, the tire should generate a resonance field capable of sustaning a charge of 1.21 gigawatts. couple this with the inherent electrostatic properties of 12' of nylon rope, and I was fairly capable of producing a time machine that sent marty mcfly back to the future.

It works like this. The hole in the tire creates a collumn of air where photons become trapped and battle it out to the death. Meanwhile the tread and the writing on the tire begin to harness the magnetic fields of the earth's poles and create a electro-magneto-statictastical field. Known as the LOWER FIELD, or as I like to call it, THE LOWER VECTOR. ALTHOUGH FARMER JOHN STILL CALLS IT THE LOW'R FIELD. I TOLD JOHN, "HEY JOHN IT'S A VECTOR IN PHYSICS DUDE". BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO WHEN THE MAN SHOVELS COW **** FOR A LIVING.

Sorry my caps key was stuck. My last experiment involving a penny, a lightsocket, and a bag of dorritos managed to get cheddared tortilla chips lodged in everything.It's been months but I can still smell the haunting aroma of dorritos from the farthest nooks of my lab.

So anyway. The tire is now on a collision course with space-time. This is where things get interesting. The tire begins to trancend space time and opens up a hole. Not a wormhole. Just a hole. Then some light passes through and the hole closes then it's over.

So, what do you guys do on your weekends?

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watch violent movies and cause a general rukus throughout the town.

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