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State of the Union
2005-02-03, 1:55 PM #41
Those are actually two seperate issues. Civil suits are entirely decided by juries, he wants laws limiting which cases can actually reach a jury trial and how much money juries can seek from defendants. When Bush talks about judicial activism and activist judges, he's talking about federal judges and federal court of appeals using judicial review to "make law from the bench".
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2005-02-03, 1:56 PM #42
Quote:
Originally posted by Warlord
You know, instead of changing social security to a "private savings account omg you control your OWN money!!1", why don't they just let you keep your own money to begin with?


Because the government knows we'd just blow it on booze and Sir Mixalot ring tones for our cell phone.
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2005-02-03, 1:56 PM #43
And if that's going to cut ridiculous medical costs, I'm all for it and then some.
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2005-02-03, 1:59 PM #44
Ruthys looks better:)
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2005-02-03, 2:00 PM #45
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Originally posted by Freelancer
And if that's going to cut ridiculous medical costs, I'm all for it and then some.


I agree that problem needs to be addressed, but I thought John Kerry had a much better system for combating it.

Wasn'ts Bush's plan to put a 250,000 cap on maximum payouts for medical lawsuits? I don't know about you, but if a surgeon showed up drunk and severed my spinal cord...250,000 wouldn't exactly have me jumping for joy. (Thats an admittedly extreme example)
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2005-02-03, 2:03 PM #46
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Originally posted by Freelancer
And if that's going to cut ridiculous medical costs, I'm all for it and then some.


It's a tricky issue. On one hand high insurance rates due to malpractice suits are a big reason medical costs are as high as they are. On the other hand though, you have to be careful not to take away the rights of the patient. Mistakes as extreme as leaving surgical tools in a patient by mistake and operating/treating the wrong patient are more common than one might think. I'd want to be able to sue if that happened to me.
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2005-02-03, 2:05 PM #47
It *has* happened to me, and I/my parents (young at the time) decided not to sue.. They had switched my X-rays with someone else's, put my under anethesia, nearly underwent the procedure before they figured it out. I'm kinda meh on the issue. I think a 250,000 max payout is plenty for just about anything. In the long run people need to suck it up and think of other people for a change. Your 20,000,000 dollar settlement just raised health care costs, congratulations, selfish person.
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2005-02-03, 2:11 PM #48
Freelancer: It sucks that happened...but it doesn't sound like there was any permanent damage. I'm not sure a jury would have awarded you much if anything in that case. I wouldn't have sued there either...just never gone to that hospital again.

But if you couldn't walk for the rest of your life...and you were a construction worker just there to get his appendix out or something...is 250,000...the cost of a nice house, really worth much?

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Originally posted by Plicat
It's a tricky issue. On one hand high insurance rates due to malpractice suits are a big reason medical costs are as high as they are. On the other hand though, you have to be careful not to take away the rights of the patient. Mistakes as extreme as leaving surgical tools in a patient by mistake and operating/treating the wrong patient are more common than one might think. I'd want to be able to sue if that happened to me.


malpractice suits contribute to increased insurance rates, but they are FAR from the root cause of our increased premiums.
-El Scorcho

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2005-02-03, 2:16 PM #49
Thank you, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, you economic mastermind of a President. *sarcasm*.
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2005-02-03, 2:22 PM #50
Plicat: Judicial activism is essentially legislating from the bench. This is something I do not support. Judges are there to interpret the law not make it.

I wouldn't think that any sort of frivilous lawsuit control would happen under Kerry. His running mate was a trial lawyer. They thrive on lawsuits. But yeah. Something has to be done about frivilous lawsuits. You getting millions of dollars because you did something stupid or you made a mountain out of mole-hills, shows that there is definitely something wrong. I applaud Freelancer for not suing for $35M.
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2005-02-03, 5:13 PM #51
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Originally posted by El Scorcho


But if you couldn't walk for the rest of your life...and you were a construction worker just there to get his appendix out or something...is 250,000...the cost of a nice house, really worth much?





Here, in cali, under current prices, $250,000 would probably buy you a packing crate on the sidewalk in front of some rich guy's house, but not a nice house of your own.
2005-02-03, 6:15 PM #52
Move to some god-forsaken town in the middle of nowhere in Nevada and you'll be set for life! With about 75% of that money leftover for inheritance. ;)
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2005-02-03, 6:31 PM #53
Or in Indiana. At least there, you have trees:D
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2005-02-03, 6:56 PM #54
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Originally posted by Flexor
You honestly see nothing wrong with voting other people's rights away?


Of course I do but I'm not sure how that relates to this discussion.
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2005-02-03, 7:04 PM #55
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Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast
I listened to music instead.


Rock on :D
2005-02-03, 7:11 PM #56
Quote:
Originally posted by El Scorcho
Because the government knows we'd just blow it on booze and Sir Mixalot ring tones for our cell phone.


HAHAHA. :) that was so great.
2005-02-03, 7:16 PM #57
Quote:
Originally posted by El Scorcho
I don't know about you, but if a surgeon showed up drunk and severed my spinal cord...250,000 wouldn't exactly have me jumping for joy.


Not much would.
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2005-02-04, 3:30 AM #58
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Originally posted by Wolfy
Not much would.


hahaha.
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