That Star Trek, after 18 continuous years, has been cancelled.

I have been a fan since I was about 6 or 7, I am now about 19.

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/584/584884p1.html

It's only Enterprise, by the looks of things ...

Not really suprised.

Me neither. Although it looks like things were getting better. I guess not good enough.

VIVA LA STARGATE!!!

stargate wins

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That article certainly revealed some new things to me. Personally, I have liked Enterprise a lot, and it's a pity it will end so soon. But on the other hand I'm not a very demanding person what comes to scifi series. But that stuff concerning Rick Berman in the article was enlightening (even if it's biased but still). I have never read such things about the background situation of the franchise.

QFT

"You'd better use two of those"
...
"It's a BLAST DOOR."

Yes, Enterprise sucked. Why? Heres why.

Season 4 has easily been the best so far. They always seems to cancel shows just as they're recovering from a bad patch.

Season 4 is really what the show should have been from the beginning. I would really hav eloved a fifth season.

I didn't mind Enterprise either, it was no TNG though.

quite liked the show myself, the article about Berman was very interesting, the fact that the last 4 seasons of Deep Space Nine, (what I consider to be the best series so far) were produced without any direct involvement from him, kinda shows that he didn't really have a clue as to how the ST franchise should be run....

Lets hope there is at least some sort of closure to Enterprise, or even better yet they get another shot at it in a few more years without Berman's involvement.

About time. I miss the Reading Rainbow guy.

Levar Burton/Geordi.

It sucks that all the TNG people are old now

Oh well.

The good thing about all this is, Berman is out. So ASSUMING There is a possibility of Star Trek in the future, at least he won't be in charge of it.

Honestly, I totally agree that Star Trek has gotten terrible in the last, say, 4 years.

Basically since DS9 ended it's gone further and further downhill.


First TNG was king, then DS9 came along. DS9 sucked, then it got "ok," Then TNG started to end. TNG was the best of it's time. then voyager came along. everyone watched voyager, then after a year everyone realized it sucked, and DS9 got better. Everyone kept watching DS9 while Voyager was an excuse to keep the franchise going while DS9 wasn't on, and the TNG movies were being produced. Then the TNG movies started to suck, after first contact. Voyager sucked too, because the borg got involved, and the borg turned into not a fearsome enemy of deep space, but a movie of the week with the same idea of last week with an extra electronic gismo or slight twist on the story. Then DS9 had the war with the Dominion closing, and hte show, as it was, in it's full form, absolutely fantastic, fun, and entertaining, not quite Trek like TNG and TOS, but great storytelling and netertainment nonetheless, ended.

In the end we wre elft with Voyager. A skeleton of a show with bad, bad acting, and a fantastic franchise behind it. Voyager got worse, andworse. It had about 10 great episodes, but it jsut got worse, and worse. Then the borg had a borg "hub" in the final episode and we learn that the borg are actually *gasp* bigger than we thought last time, and the show ended.

Then The guy from Quantam leap (sam beckett/scott bakula) was going to turn things around, but Rick Berman forgot to include storytelling in his show.
A show with so much potential...

Now, I guess, the series of ENterprise has it's best season, it's 4th Season. Unfortunately, for me, a die-hard trekkie, I stopped watching in tne 3rd Season...

Partially due to the fact that there's no cable at the dorms where I've lived in the last 2 years, but still. The show wasn't great anymore :P.

There were so many problems.
Lack of storytelling
Lack of science
Lack of character development (good development anyway)
lack of futuristicness (it's a prequal...I mean. It had potential, but it never exceeded expectations in terms of showing something "new and different")
It just seemed to "tie things together" with other series...finally explain how that phaser came around, or that transporter.

WHO CARES?

I want to see a Vulcan/Romulan War that we never heard of.
I want to see the Klingon/Vulcan Conflict, and see how the federation handles it.
I want to see the crap kicked out of Enterprise and see them repaired the next day for a new adventure.

Bah...regardless of what I want to see, there is still problems in those.
THey could have still turned out to being bad, or boring.
They still would have happened before other things in TNG or TOS, restricting storytelling ability, and giving viewers a knowledge of what would happen later anyway.
There would be obvious plotholes that would conflict with history of hte federation in other series.

Perhaps this series was doomed anyway... it would have made a better miniseries.

I don't know where Star Trek Goes from here, but I just hope, and wish, that it can go back to exploring the Federation. Just because TNG is over doesn't mean a ship can't explore all of hte Galaxy, just because DS9 existed doesn't mean the writers must assume the whole galaxy is explored.

if everyone assumes that...there's no storytelling.
Just start writing about "more unexplored areas" and let your imagination take place...
bah.

anyways, my rant. I have no idea if it was supposed to be a history, or a personal opinion, but I've had so many opinions about this since TNG ended...

It's just both a great and a sad day at the same time

Maybe Andromeda will get a better timeslot?

<3 Andromeda. Seems to be one of Roddenberry's better works.

Worst. Roddenberry. Show. Ever. Earth Final Conflict is good compaired to it.

*ahem*

Need I say...
Kirk?

Debateable I guess, I heard Earth:Final Conflict was pretty good, but I never got into it.

It's about time it died. I watched the first 3 episodes of Enterprise and lost all interest. Everything felt wrong, and it reminded me way to much of Voyager, which I also completely hated.

I've recently become addicted to Stargate. Mainly because it happens to be on before Battlestar: Glactica (which I'm sure some of you don't like, but I find it interesting to watch), but also because it's just flat out fun to watch.

SG:Atlantis is becoming good. Really good.

Final Conflict was an excelent series (final season bit off a bit more than it could chew though. especially with the redesign of the Atavus)

Andromeda was a good series (until the final season, when it collapsed under its own weight and ended in a way that would confuse the world's best interpreters).

I'm disapointed about Enterprise. Season 4 has been the best so far (especially now that the Romulan/Vulcan conflict is on the horizon).

It is actually. The first few episodes didn't really look like much, and then I couldn't find time to watch it anymore, but since I picked it up againt recently, it's ALOT better.

I can't stand Stargate.

I really liked TNG. The only thing weird about it was a French captain with an English accent. :p

The movies with the TNG crew were all incredible.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about Enterprise ending... I tried to watch quite a few episodes, but never could get into it.

I miss the days when TNN would play 24-hour TNG marathons every third weekend. Before the dark times. Before Spike.

I love the original Star Trek/movies, but I could never really get into any of the other series.

I hated Enterprise. I gave it a chance for 4 episodes, then never turned back.

I liked Voyager. I didn't have many problems with the plots, and I liked the characters. I find it hard to watch most episodes now though, possibly because they're a waste. There's the series opening movie, then 4 years of filler with a handful of important plot changes, then they suddenly get back home. We're not even told what happened after they got home. They could have at least done a "6 months later" kind of thing.

I didn't start liking DS9 until Spike aired it. It's a shame. I was missing out.

I heard a certain favorite character, Data , dies in the 10th movie. As such, I haven't seen it, and won't acknowledge its existance, much like Chewie's death .

Are there any plans for more movies? Maybe with the DS9 or Voyager cast?

Remember that Guy Rick Berman?
The guy who headed ST since Gene Roddenberry died?
The guy who had total influence on Voyager, making it suck, and almost none on DS9, which was fantastic?
The guy who started Enterprise?
The guy who was a big part of the last 2 TNG movies (insurrection, and Nemesis...and yes. It sucked. It would have been a very good TV episode, however)?

Well, he wants a prequal Movie with an all new cast, and Paramount may or may not be swinging for it!

O_o

The day Berman dies is the day the franchise has hope.

That it is. If you haven't seen the last two episodes of the season, you're in for something. They were really good. I'm already wanting to see the next season.

I never could get by the Seven-of-Nine look alike on the show. It just really bothered me. Felt like they just choked to death the image of Vulcans with that one tight suit.

Rick Berman believe's that sex sells.

That's why he has Skin-tight female outfits in all of his show that he controlls.

Like I said...Rick Berman must die.

DS9 is awesome, because even though it was done in the mid ninties, I'm often hard pressed to tell. Some of the episodes look like they could be brand new and made only last year. That just strikes me as cool.

As for Data dying (I can't see putting it in spoiler tags since the movies been out for some time...) I was afraid of what would happen as well, but they "ended" his character very, VERY well. I found his death to be among the most human things he'd ever done. And at the end of the movie, you find out he isn't totally gone for good. I'd highly suggest you see it. I think it's the best TNG movie since First Contact.

DS9 can't really make movies. If I recall correctly, in the last episode (which I very much so regret only catching the last 10 minutes of when it aired) the station was completely turned over to the Bajorians, the group split up, Bashir got a position as the head of Starfleet medical I think, O'Brian got a teacher position at the academy, Worf became an ambassador to the Klingon Empire, Sisko (I THINK, take this with a major grain of salt) died taking down Dukat, who also died, Quark stayed on the station, Odo went back to his people (the Dominion being successfully defeated)... you get the idea. It'd be rather hard to base a movie considering the circumstances. A shame really, because it'd probably kick major ***.

As for Voyager. A no again. That group also split up (as far as I know) and it'd probably just pretty much suck. Plus, Janeway got promoted to Admiral and has a deskjob with Starfleet.

Some of that, notably Worf and Janeway, was made reasonably apparent in the last TNG movie.

DS9 rocked once the Dominion stroyline got going. Before that, it was pretty meh.

Agreed. But there were a few jewel episodes before then. Most of the series up until that point was kinda like TNG. Episodes didn't really interconnect. After the Dominion got rolling though, if you missed an episode, you might not have any idea what was going on. Things meshed more and carried over from episode to episode. I liked that.

Star trek was never my thing, b/c I began watching it too late. i've never seen any of it except a few episodes of TNG, plus First Contact. I heard that Enterprise was s*** so i stayed away from it.

Now, the old ST series are never shown on TV anymore. I've pretty much given up on being able to see this stuff.

SciFi runs the Original Series, and there's a marathon of them every once in awhile.

SpikeTV, if you get that god awful station, runs both TNG and DS9. Those are my only two reasons for watching Spike. Otherwise, I think it's garbage.

So if you get either of those channels, you can see it.

OK, I feel this is my place to rant.

First off, I'll list what I've liked/disliked/etc. The whys and such will come later:

Star Trek: TOS -- loads better than it's competitors of the day, but that's not saying much. Seen half the episodes.
Star Trek: TNG -- probably still my favorite, but it's what I grew up with. Seen most/all
Star Trek: DS9 -- As someone else said, I'm starting to like it a lot more seeing reruns on Spike. Seen half/most.
Star Trek: Voyager -- I initially watched this over DS9, but seeing some of the reruns, I have to admit it's probably my least favorite now
Star Trek: Enterprise -- I would make this my favorite if I wasn't in the midst of watching it. Seen most/all.
Movies I've liked: Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, First Contact; the standard liked ones.

Alright, as with many Star Trek fans I'm sure, I've liked Star Trek for it's optomistic vision of humanity in the future and tackling current social issues. TOS and TNG both did this well, as is Enterprise especially in it's latest season (pre-emptive strike, anyone?) DS9 had issues with the optomistic future and Voyager had issues with the tackling of social issues, but in even the midst of their WORST episodes, both series had their really GOOD episodes (Deep Space Nine I think of when Sisko challanges some arrogant Vulcan to a baseball game and with Voyager I think of... well, any episode where the Doctor is the focus, really. He is still the saving grace of that series).

As for all these arguments about "acting" and "character development" being better or worse... I think most claims out there are a load of BS. Both TOS and TNG are shoved full of pretty cheesy soapy acting (despite Patrick Stewart being an awesome actor, his lines and situations weren't helping). I can see past MY nostalgia for TNG to see that, and to see now that even the very sweet 4th season of Enterprise has some pretty lame acting (example: the episode with the transporter inventor, there's a part at the end where they zoom on the guy's face and he says "I can't let him go!" and they cue in this sad music as the captain and the others try to tell him there's nothing he can do).

As for the Berman bashing, while I agree on the whole that his influence has only hurt Star Trek, there's only so much you can blame him for. I mean please -- someone tried to blame Berman for capitalizing on "sex sells." They've been doing that since episode 1 of TOS -- just look at the mini-skirts for crying out loud! As for one argument about how the early Enterprise was everything Berman wanted and that was against the Star Trek princples? I seem to remember everyone LOVED Deep Space Nine for what again? Oh that's right -- the dark and action-packed battles with the Dominion at the end (yes, I think the space battles WERE cool). Low-tech? It takes place before TOS! I seem to remember people complaining about Enterprise when it first came out because it looked TOO high-tech! Conflicts among each other? It's only 100 years after the THIRD WORLD WAR! I apologize: I love Star Trek for it's optomistic hopes for humanity, but some things just have to bend for logic and realistic human interaction and freakin' STORYTELLING!

I'll admit that my standards when it comes to movies, books, TV shows, videogames, and entertainment in general are FAR different than most people, to say the least. Is Innsurection a favorite movie of mine? No it is not. Is it a movie I hate? Not in the least -- I think it was pretty descent. Do I like Nemesis? Not so much. Why? Because of things like not mentioning Lore when they found positronic signals (which NOBODY I've talked to thought about). Data dies ? Who cares! It's HOW he dies that bugged me!

I'll end by saying while I am sad that Enterprise will be ending after this season, it only has encouraging signs for Star Trek's future (just look to TOS to see how a prematurely-ended series can spark stuff).

no cable for me....

Speaking of the original series having a "sex sells" attitude, Kirk and Uhura had television's first interracial kiss. (a fact that everyone in this thread probably already knows, but was still worth mentioning)

Not to mention the fact that Kirk boned any female alien he met.

UPN cancelling the show may not mean the end. It jsut means UPN won't be fronting the money. It's possible that it could be picked up by Sci-Fi or another station. Don't know the chances of it happening, but it's happened with other shows, like Stargate (Sci-Fi picked it up from Showtime).

Yeha, but paramount and upn agreed together that this was the way to go.

Basically, it means the show is in syndication, IE: up for grabs to be shown on other channels if people want to pay for it.

Geb, a quick question. How would you have prefered he gone out? I think they did it well, and was honestly expecting far, FAR worse.