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This is why I almost ALWAYS side with Palestinians
2004-04-23, 5:08 AM #1
Isrealies take a Palestinian boy and use him as a human sheild. They tie him to the front of the car.

http://www.supanet.com/newsweather/foreign_news.php4

I never have sided with Isreal on this conflict. Kinda hard to. Though I don't agree with blowing up innocent people either.


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2004-04-23, 5:22 AM #2
Bleh I find it hard to support either side, both do equally bad things. Sick tbh

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Sweet irony...
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2004-04-23, 5:29 AM #3
That's horrible....though I fail to see how on earth it's more horrible than a suicide bomber indiscriminately killing civilians or children the same age as that one there being loaded down with explosives and sent through Israeli checkpoints.

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2004-04-23, 5:37 AM #4
It's all terrible...they all could have ended the war(s) numerous times, but now they're just fighting for the sake of fighting. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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2004-04-23, 5:59 AM #5
But President Bush said Israel is our best friend and would never do anything wrong...

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2004-04-23, 6:24 AM #6
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Schming:
But President Bush said Israel is our best friend and would never do anything wrong...</font>


We are suppose to pray for peace in Israel, not fund them with weapons.

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2004-04-23, 6:34 AM #7
Wouldn't it just be easier to split the country into two equal portions?

(but how long would it last b/c one side would inevitably end up wanting it all)



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2004-04-23, 6:52 AM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:
Wouldn't it just be easier to split the country into two equal portions?</font>


Err, no, that's sorta where the problem stems from.

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2004-04-23, 7:40 AM #9
Don't take sides in a war that doesn't consern you.

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2004-04-23, 7:50 AM #10
Another victory for Pagewizard! Nice going, Page.

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2004-04-23, 8:15 AM #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MechWarrior:
Don't take sides in a war that doesn't consern you.</font>


A war where one side has nuclear weapons and the other side are commonly considered radical terrorists concerns me.

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2004-04-23, 8:23 AM #12
Why... its not like those weapons are powerful enough to effect you.

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2004-04-23, 8:27 AM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MechWarrior:
Why... its not like those weapons are powerful enough to effect you.

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...


...You have absolutely no clue about the global impact nuclear weapons have. A nuclear war in the middle east would make North America uninhabitable within a couple of years.
2004-04-23, 8:29 AM #14
What Jon said.

For the record, Israel is believed to have between 100 and 200 nuclear warheads.

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2004-04-23, 9:03 AM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MechWarrior:
Why... its not like those weapons are powerful enough to effect you.

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2004-04-23, 9:11 AM #16
I'm really not terribly fond of Isreal's policies -however irrelevant/misinformed my opinion may be- but that's still likely an isolated incident.

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2004-04-23, 9:47 AM #17
Do you think it's a central government sponsored action? Or perhaps the police that were being showered with rocks took it upon themselves?

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2004-04-23, 12:50 PM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Brian:
Do you think it's a central government sponsored action? Or perhaps the police that were being showered with rocks took it upon themselves?

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Shhh...Brian, it's a lost cause. Israelis bad, Palestinians good.



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2004-04-23, 1:20 PM #19
Whatever happened to Isrealis and their religion? "Thou shall not kill"?

Guess they're all going to hell now. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

How long has this bs been going on? I forgot.

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2004-04-23, 1:27 PM #20
kill or murder though?

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Sweet irony...
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2004-04-23, 1:44 PM #21
Well, they are MURDERING Palestinians (and vice versa).

"Thou shall not kill" is more accurately "Thou shall not murder". Self defense killing is different.

btw, I'm not siding; both groups, as said before, are behaving equally bad.

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2004-04-23, 1:50 PM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Brian:
Do you think it's a central government sponsored action? Or perhaps the police that were being showered with rocks took it upon themselves?</font>


Most likely pissed off police acting on their own. If my people were constantly getting suicide-bombed, I'd probably react the same way and mess with some of their people.



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2004-04-23, 1:51 PM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sats:
Bleh I find it hard to support either side, both do equally bad things. Sick tbh

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Agreed.

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2004-04-23, 1:53 PM #24
But can I remind you they're also the ones killing innocent people by rocket launching into market places? Its cowardly to take out enemies like that, and it kills chldren too
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2004-04-23, 2:37 PM #25
Simple question - Why do a lot of christians "pray for israel" so that the jews will get the land back? I'm a christian myself but my feelings are pretty much that neither of them really deserve the land apart from the innocent millions who just want peace.

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Sweet irony...
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2004-04-23, 3:15 PM #26
It's the police it seems, not the people. For christ sakes, they beat up a Rabbi. Don't tell me that is kosher by any means. It's a group of crazies, this is most definately not the way of the group. I think the same goes for both sides.

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2004-04-23, 3:21 PM #27
Sine_Nomen is going to come in here and school the lot of you, just wait.

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2004-04-23, 3:39 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MechWarrior:
Don't take sides in a war that doesn't consern you.

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when innocent little boys are being uses as shields like that, it concerns me. and you really have no idea how armed to teh teeth isreal is for such a little country.

on a different note, to ruthy n the other people (jus sayin): im muslim and by default that should put me on the palestinian side however for someone whos family is really political and knows whats been goin on since our own existance, it's plan to see one side isnt really any less bad-*** then the other, and one side isnt really more innocent than the other either. there are people on both sides who want it to stop. lovers friends neighbours at one point as well. and then theres also those extremists on both sides, followed by stupid political people, and assorted military *** -hats.

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2004-04-23, 3:42 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolvie17:
there are people on both sides who want it to stop. lovers friends neighbours at one point as well. and then theres also those extremists on both sides, followed by stupid political people, and assorted military *** -hats.</font>

True. It's those ones causing the trouble that are ruining the reputation of their people as a whole.

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2004-04-23, 4:02 PM #30
I'm curious, do any of you think that the establishment of a Palestinian state will change anything? If Israel is in favor of a Palestinian state, why have they gone out of their way to stop that from happening for the past 1/2 century? If the Palestinians are in favor of a Palestinian state, what's with the suicide bombings? I know desperation when I see it, but there's now entire generations of Palestinians who now think that suicide bombings are a good thing. Even with the establishment of a Palestinian state, will this conflict ever end, or at least calm down?

As an American, I find this all very troubling, despite the fact that I'm an ocean away.




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2004-04-23, 4:13 PM #31
I usually side with the Israeli's but that is just wrong. First, doing that puts them on the level of the suicide bombers. Secondly, they have armored vehicles, why do they need a hostage?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Don't take sides in a war that doesn't consern you.
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It's that isolationist attitude that causes more problems than actually doing something.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">im muslim and by default that should put me on the palestinian side
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No, I don't think it should. When someone agrees with a certain group because they have the same party, religion, ethnicity as the person, that is just plain stupid. People need to decide for themselves what they believe.

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2004-04-23, 4:14 PM #32
Does anyone care to address the fact that the link is neither from any reputable news source nor shows any such human shielding taking place. Until anyone shows otherwise, this looks like pure anti-Israeli propaganda to me.

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2004-04-23, 4:21 PM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I'm curious, do any of you think that the establishment of a Palestinian state will change anything? If Israel is in favor of a Palestinian state, why have they gone out of their way to stop that from happening for the past 1/2 century? If the Palestinians are in favor of a Palestinian state, what's with the suicide bombings? I know desperation when I see it, but there's now entire generations of Palestinians who now think that suicide bombings are a good thing. Even with the establishment of a Palestinian state, will this conflict ever end, or at least calm down?
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Giving Palestine a state was already tried a few times. First, the UN took about 1/3 of Palestine and gave it to the Jews(which isn't right because Palestinians had already been kicked out of Jordan), and the Arab world got pissed, invaded, and lost and Israel gave back the land they had won except for most (if not all I think) of Palestine. And Israelis and Palestinians do want peace, but the leadership of the Palestinians(Arafat) doesn't want that because he would lose all his power and whoever is the President/Prime Minster of Israel has no choice but to react to attacks on his people. From what I understand, when Clinton was in office and he had those negotiations with Arafat and the President/Prime Minister, Arafat got almost everything he wanted, but he turned it down anyway.

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2004-04-23, 4:26 PM #34
They're all insane.

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2004-04-23, 4:49 PM #35
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wookie06:
Does anyone care to address the fact that the link is neither from any reputable news source nor shows any such human shielding taking place. Until anyone shows otherwise, this looks like pure anti-Israeli propaganda to me.</font>


BBC

Reuters

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2004-04-23, 5:55 PM #36
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im muslim and by default that should put me on the palestinian side
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No, I don't think it should. When someone agrees with a certain group because they have the same party, religion, ethnicity as the person, that is just plain stupid. People need to decide for themselves what they believe.

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you know whats stupid? your inability to read. i meant by default its like the stereotype that i would take their side. i meant to say emotions aside, my religion and beliefs aside, and what i have got out of the koran and waht not aside, i still have enough intelligence to make a proper judgement on this conflict. do not insult me by misinterpretting what i said when in no way was it meant to sound like that. if the rest of my post was clearly sensible, i deserved the benifit of the doubt before you freaked on my *** . ty.


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2004-04-23, 5:59 PM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolvie17:
when innocent little boys are being uses as shields like that, it concerns me. and you really have no idea how armed to teh teeth isreal is for such a little country.
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Why bother being conserned about it you forget... they can do what they want and we have to stay out. Its an atrocity thats for sure... its very sad that happend but to be honest its not our problem. They are fighting a war and sometimes people do awful things during war and there is nothing you can do about it... so don't consern yourself with it you'll drive yourself insane cause there is nothing you can do about it.

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2004-04-23, 6:43 PM #38
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
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Reuters

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Thanks for the links. Substantiates my point. Even BBC and Reuters are honest enough to state that this incident is claimed to have occured. The first link stated that it had happened. I doubt the incident ever occured even more now.



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2004-04-23, 7:02 PM #39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">you know whats stupid? your inability to read. i meant by default its like the stereotype that i would take their side. i meant to say emotions aside, my religion and beliefs aside, and what i have got out of the koran and waht not aside, i still have enough intelligence to make a proper judgement on this conflict. do not insult me by misinterpretting what i said when in no way was it meant to sound like that. if the rest of my post was clearly sensible, i deserved the benifit of the doubt before you freaked on my ***
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whoa, whoa, calm down there. I was not freaking out or anything. All I said is that polarized point of views should not influence someones view on something of this nature. Take it for it's face value and don't try to read too much into it. If anything I was agreeing with you and elaborating on what you said.

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2004-04-23, 7:13 PM #40
Woah, some of you gentiles know nothing about Judaism at all... Jews going to hell.. ppphh...

This war concerns everyone; it is the conflict which has caused 'problems in the middle east' more than anything else. It is the root for anti-american sentiment, and it is the foundation for Islamic terrorism. To say that this war doesn't concern you would be to say that Russian Communism did not concern you.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And Israelis and Palestinians do want peace, but the leadership of the Palestinians(Arafat) doesn't want that because he would lose all his power and whoever is the President/Prime Minster of Israel has no choice but to react to attacks on his people. From what I understand, when Clinton was in office and he had those negotiations with Arafat and the President/Prime Minister, Arafat got almost everything he wanted, but he turned it down anyway.</font>


Arafat got nothing what he wanted. Although he was offered a land mass of considerable size, it was land that was not fertile, and to form a nation on that land, it would have to be depedent on another nation for everything, from water to just about any natural resource you can think of.

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