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should this guy be deported?
2005-02-04, 2:32 PM #1
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/02/04/drug-deportation050203.html

52 years in canada. he's been here since he was 6 months old. but because he never got his citizenship the law states that he can be deported for his drug trafficing conviction. which, btw, is not a violent crime imo (someone can be deported for commiting a violent crime).
2005-02-04, 2:59 PM #2
Kick his *** out. Just don't send him here. Law is law. If he's not a Canadian citizen and he breaks law, he suffers consequences.
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2005-02-04, 3:09 PM #3
It's funny how citizenship is rarely an issue when it comes to collecting taxes.
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2005-02-04, 3:10 PM #4
"law is law" is a bad argument, in my opinion. Laws can be interpreted in many ways, and if the legislature wanted to deport violent criminals and this guy clearly isn't, the courts can elect to force the legislature to clarify.

Regarding the original post, I don't know and I don't care.
2005-02-04, 3:11 PM #5
That's a tough boat to be in, but the law's the law. Perhaps the case will lead to some sort of change.
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2005-02-04, 3:32 PM #6
If he wasn't involved with drugs, he may have a better case...I guess.
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2005-02-04, 6:30 PM #7
meh i dont care keep him in canadaaaa
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2005-02-04, 9:24 PM #8
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Tyler admits he made mistakes, but he said he's been living a clean life for the past six years and he should be allowed to stay in Canada.


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In 1999, Tyler became a drug addict. Two years later[/i], he was arrested and convicted of possession and trafficking cocaine. He spent three months in jail.


Math anyone?
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2005-02-05, 11:01 AM #9
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Originally posted by DogSRoOL
It's funny how citizenship is rarely an issue when it comes to collecting taxes.
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2005-02-05, 11:19 AM #10
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Originally posted by THRAWN
Math anyone?


Anyone could forget something like that happened to them.
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2005-02-05, 11:27 AM #11
I don't really have sympathy for drug dealers.
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2005-02-05, 3:23 PM #12
Drug trafficking isnt labeled as a violent crime, but do you really think most drug traffickers will let somebody take their drugs peacefully?
2005-02-05, 3:43 PM #13
The law is the law. This guy took a risk and knew the consequences. He should face them.
2005-02-05, 10:03 PM #14
Bottom line..

No matter which country you are from, born in, live in, etc. You should face the laws of that country that you currently are in. No matter what.
2005-02-05, 10:33 PM #15
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Originally posted by Temperamental
Bottom line..

No matter which country you are from, born in, live in, etc. You should face the laws of that country that you currently are in. No matter what.


...says the person who uses an illegal drug.
2005-02-06, 12:37 PM #16
And?
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2005-02-06, 12:56 PM #17
It's not a crime if you're not caught.
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2005-02-06, 1:24 PM #18
Seeing as it's not a serious crime, I see no reason to deport him.
2005-02-06, 2:29 PM #19
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Originally posted by Avenger
And?


Well, obviously if he believes you should face the law no matter what he should not break the law.
2005-02-06, 4:13 PM #20
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...says the person who uses an illegal drug.


No.


Two things..

This guy was using Cocaine. A drug that is FAR more dangerous than pretty much any otehr drug out there.

Marijuana, the drug I use, is less dangerous than legal drugs like alcohol and cigarettes (we've had this discussion before).

Marijuana is not a drug, it's a plant. THC is a drug.

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Well, obviously if he believes you should face the law no matter what he should not break the law.


I said if you commit a crime. How am I commiting a crime by doing this to myself? It's my body, I can do what the hell I want with it. If it hurts someone else, fine, then give me grief for it. But until then, I can and will persue my right to freedom and free choice.

I also never stated anything about my stance on whether or not he should be deported. I said if you get caught doing a crime in that particular country, you should be subject to its laws. If you don't get caught, then how can you be subject to its laws. Obeying or not obeying, without being caught, you cannot.

YOU should be the one that decides what is right and wrong, as a human. It's about time we were able to as well, considering the fact that every government in the world has been ****ing its people in the *** for many many years subjecting it to ITS laws.

I'm also sure you've broken a few laws in your life. Even the most simplistic ones. Should you go to jail or be deported for that? Even the ones that cause nobody any kind of harm, not even yourself, or what about theones that cause only you harm and nobody else...? I think not.
2005-02-06, 5:16 PM #21
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Originally posted by Temperamental


Marijuana is not a drug, it's a plant. THC is a drug.


Regardless of whatever else you said in that post, Marijuana is a drug. Made from a plant. That's pretty simple...
2005-02-06, 5:57 PM #22
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Regardless of whatever else you said in that post, Marijuana is a drug. Made from a plant. That's pretty simple...


Marijuana is the plant. Cannibis is another name given to it. Marijuana is not a drug, it is a plant.

THC is the active ingredient in Marijuana, which is what gets you high. THC is a drug. THC is the drug, not Marijuana.



Anyways, back to topic.
2005-02-06, 6:02 PM #23
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Originally posted by Temperamental
I said if you commit a crime.


Definition of Crime.

More specifically:

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An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction.
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2005-02-06, 6:07 PM #24
Ok...so first you say "The law is the law no matter what"


Now you are saying well he did cocaine which is worse, but I just smoke weed which is a plant and Im only hurting myself, so the law shouldn't apply to me. What happened to "the law is the law no matter what"??

Now I'm not saying I agree with any of this, Im just pointing out the hypocrisy in what you said.

Don't you know that I smoke weed too?? You really didn't need to launch into that whole pro marijuana speech.
2005-02-06, 6:48 PM #25
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Now you are saying well he did cocaine which is worse, but I just smoke weed which is a plant and Im only hurting myself, so the law shouldn't apply to me. What happened to "the law is the law no matter what"??

Now I'm not saying I agree with any of this, Im just pointing out the hypocrisy in what you said.


Then perhaps there is a miscommunication here.

I never said that the law didn't affect me just because I smoke weed. Nor did I say because he does cocaine that he is worse and should be deported cuz of that fact. I was saying that part in response to yours, which I took as an attack at the fact that because I smoked weed I shouldn't worry about the law, etc. THat had nothing to do with my original meaning, which is why I separated it from the other parts.

And Wolfy, I know the definition of what a crime is. I said it shouldn't be like that. I said that if someone wants to do something that only hurts themselves, it's nobody elses business. Unless it hurts someone else.

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