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Why I sometimes regret being a Christian...
2004-04-23, 10:59 AM #1
...among many other reasons.

http://www.corruptchristianmusic.com/
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">To date, we cannot recommend any Christian recording artist. After researching hundreds, no matter what type of music they sing, we have found them compromised.</font>

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Third Day worked with the polluted producer, "Guru" Sam Taylor who has produced heavy metal (demonic) "Christian" bands, such as Kings X's albums. This producer is the man who really challenged Third Day to stretch individually on their instruments.</font>

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Joining Michael W. Smith and ecumenist Max Lucado, Third Day is on tour promoting the message of 'Coming Together' and laying aside our differences. This is an Ecumenical message and idea, and they not only promote the idea, they donate a portion of every ticket purchased to an openly ecumenical humanitarian aid group - Habitat For Humanity (HRHI)! Does each of their followers want to fund things that the pope is involved with?</font>
ROFLMAO!!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">P.O.D. is not a Christian Band! Not only do they proudly proclaim their not a Christian band with their own mouths, but the evidence and the fruit which surrounds them, proves they're not Christian at all!</font>
And this convinced me that they have not done the research they claim. I've heard P.O.D. say they want to help "spread the word about a God who loves us all" (or something to that effect).
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If you weren't familiar with Michael W. Smith's standing in the world of contemporary Christian music, you might attend one of his concerts and come out none the wiser." </font>
WTF? You'd have to be a complete and utter moron to go to one of Smith's concerts and not know he's a Christian.

The site continues to ramble and pull stuff out of their *** about various artists, and how they "don't live up to God's standard." Hello!? Nobody does! Who do these people think they are?!

Their FAQ section is even more unbelievable, as they try (rather pathetically) to use scripture to back up their slander, and how judging is acceptable according to the Bible.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Yes, pray! Pray for the boldness to speak what you know is right in your heart. For we have to speak the truth - Acts 4:18-29. How can we stand back and watch someone unashamedly sinning and leading others into a sinful life. I a courtroom, this is called being an accomplice to a crime.</font>
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They claim to want to help them and BS, but throughout their massive load of crap, they use wonderful Christian like this:
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Third Day got their picture taken with the sick, lesbian woman, Melissa Etheridge and the completely filthy, depraved, foul, rapper, Jay Z? What a horrible example to multitudes of Third Day followers!</font>

I swear I'd be bashing their heads together if I'd met anyone who had anything to do with supporting this website.

And they keep using the word "ecumenist" like it's a bad thing.

Morons.

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Genesis 22:2-8 - And God said unto Abraham "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said "What? I can't hear you. You'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said "Check, Check. Check Check. Jerry, can you pull the high end out. I'm getting some hiss up here."

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2004-04-23, 11:01 AM #2
Ahh, **** it.

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2004-04-23, 11:09 AM #3
I was up late one night watching the home shopping network with a friend, and as we were chatting about the innovative cookware device we had just seen, an ad came on for a Christian boy band. Now, at first, me and my friend had thought it was a joke. Then I realized the home shopping network time had actually finished, and the religious programs had started.
The guys were talking about how "cool" it was to be Christian, and then they started saying that "..being Christian doesn't mean you can't go to movies or hang out at the mall. We love going down the mall with our peeps and just chillin'. People think that because you're Christian, they can't talk to you. That just ain't now it is." And then one of the other guys said that even though they were offically known as a Christian band, he said that their music was no different to anything else in the industry. Then they played some clips of them singing their songs. And to be honest, from the very few times I've actually been to a Chruch service, I've heard the words "Jesus", "Praise", and "Lord" less there than in each of the songs they played on the TV. Seriously, Benny Hinn says "Praise the Lord!" less than those guys did.

I don't know how this rant relates to your post, but I honestly found it very difficult to take anything they said seriously.. It'd be like Justin Timberlake trying to sing a Christmas song in a "cool" way... that kind of thing just doesn't work.

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2004-04-23, 11:12 AM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cosmic Castaway:
Ahh, **** it.

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2004-04-23, 12:00 PM #5
Didn't POD do that song about that kid killing his school? Youth of the Nation, I think.

Or did I completely misinterpret the meaning of that song?

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2004-04-23, 12:14 PM #6
im pretty sure it was about how SAD it was that things like that happen since, you know, we're the youth of the nation and stuff.

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2004-04-23, 12:24 PM #7
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by happydud:
Didn't POD do that song about that kid killing his school? Youth of the Nation, I think.

Or did I completely misinterpret the meaning of that song?</font>
Yep.

You might be surprised at how many bands are Christian or have Christian themes. (Or maybe you wouldn't. *shrug*)

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Genesis 22:2-5 - And God said unto Abraham "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said "What? I can't hear you. You'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said "Check, check, check, check. Jerry, can you pull the high end out. I'm getting some hiss up here."

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2004-04-23, 12:51 PM #8
Generally the people who are slandering Christian music are the ones who think that the KJV is the One True Translation, the pope and the ecumenical movement are the antichrist, and that Christian rock is evil. And generally they always have to support their claims with guilt-by-association; Christian artist X collaborated with producer Y who had also worked on the horrible, blasphemous video for group Z.

And, in typical nutcase fashion, they usually do it in that scary authoritative tone that says God's on their side, they're right, and they don't need proof.

Ugh.

On the other hand, I found this site a few years ago which represents the other side pretty well.
2004-04-23, 1:52 PM #9
And the old, blue-haired ladies rock back and forth...

Seriously. The people at that site don't know jack about what their talking about. And as to the "Christian Boyband" remark. Ah yes, I will agree that often, you want to listen to some entertaining music. That's where great groups like Switchfoot, Reliant K, and POD are awsome. But cummon. You can't criticise those "boybands" for praising their Lord enthusiastically... Hmmm...

The Bible says that if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord you will be saved... I'll get the verse to you guys in a bit if this thread is responded to again...

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2004-04-23, 2:01 PM #10
I don't see Andy Hunter listed. He wins. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-04-23, 2:02 PM #11
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2004-04-23, 2:07 PM #12
http://www.corruptchristianmusic.com/payableondeath/playstation.html

HAHAHAHAHA! Oh no! Trance music! How demonic! I like how they denounce the words "senses," "beat," and "rhythm" as being evil.

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2004-04-23, 2:24 PM #13
sometimes people are just soo lame they deserve to die.
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2004-04-23, 2:53 PM #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dylan:
Generally the people who are slandering Christian music are the ones who think that the KJV is the One True Translation, the pope and the ecumenical movement are the antichrist, and that Christian rock is evil. And generally they always have to support their claims with guilt-by-association; Christian artist X collaborated with producer Y who had also worked on the horrible, blasphemous video for group Z.

And, in typical nutcase fashion, they usually do it in that scary authoritative tone that says God's on their side, they're right, and they don't need proof.</font>
And that's exactly how they sound. Every Bible verse they quoted was, indeed, KJV.

I pity anyone who thinks the KJV is even close to the original languages.

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Proverbs 27:17 - Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Genesis 22:2-5 - And God said unto Abraham "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said "What? I can't hear you. You'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said "Check, check, check, check. Jerry, can you pull the high end out. I'm getting some hiss up here."

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2004-04-23, 2:58 PM #15
Generally when i encounter things like that.. i automatically think that they are rampant satire, because the alternative would require hadokening too many innocent bystanders.

This site totally cracks me up every time i read a review. It's hilarious, like ultra-fundamental movie reviews.
http://capalert.com/capreports/index.htm

I think my absolute favourite on there was something from Pirates of the Caribbean:
"excessive breast exposure, repeatedly", Flirb and i were on about that for quite some time.

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2004-04-23, 3:56 PM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dormouse:
Generally when i encounter things like that.. i automatically think that they are rampant satire, because the alternative would require hadokening too many innocent bystanders.</font>
I can't seem to find anything that indicates satire. I looked, but there's nothing, not even on their FAQ page. Besides, it's quite an extreme to go to just to be constructively sarcastic.

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Proverbs 27:17 - Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Genesis 22:2-5 - And God said unto Abraham "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said "What? I can't hear you. You'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said "Check, check, check, check. Jerry, can you pull the high end out. I'm getting some hiss up here."

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2004-04-23, 4:28 PM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I pity anyone who thinks the KJV is even close to the original languages.</font>


That could be said for most, if not all of the translations. Putting one's faith in a translation is as illogical as putting one's faith in a denomination. Even if you were skilled enough to translate the bible on your own, would you really trust your own translation? I find the whole translation debate as humorous as the whole debate between the different "Christian" denominations where they all seem to think that they're the right one.

I may not be the most enlightened individual, but this is how I perceive things...

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2004-04-23, 4:36 PM #18
Very true, but few people realize how incredibly poorly the KJV was translated. For example, references to witchcraft in the KJV simply did not exist in the original text. In the OT, the word meant "one who causes misfortune with spoken curses," and in the NT it mean "one who murders with poisons." There's tons of errors like that in KJV. It was translated a long time ago, and we now have more knowledge of Hebrew, Greek, and Aramic than they did when KJV was translated.

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Proverbs 27:17 - Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Genesis 22:2-5 - And God said unto Abraham "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said "What? I can't hear you. You'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said "Check, check, check, check. Jerry, can you pull the high end out. I'm getting some hiss up here."

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2004-04-23, 7:13 PM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">...but few people realize how incredibly poorly the KJV was translated.</font>
Sadly, I'm going to bet there are some among the KJV-only crowd who don't realize that the KJV is a translation.
2004-04-23, 7:24 PM #20
Okay, am I wrong in coming to the conclusion that the people who made that site are doing exactly what Jesus DIDN'T want?

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2004-04-23, 7:34 PM #21
I don't have a particular lot to say, but I will just comment that Dylan and KH had some good wisecracks in the last two posts. Keep the jokes comin, boys!
2004-04-23, 7:35 PM #22
This is why we should all listen to nothing but satriani.
2004-04-23, 7:41 PM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kieran Horn:
Okay, am I wrong in coming to the conclusion that the people who made that site are doing exactly what Jesus DIDN'T want?

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Yay! You win a cookie!

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Proverbs 27:17 - Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Genesis 22:2-5 - And God said unto Abraham "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said "What? I can't hear you. You'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said "Check, check, check, check. Jerry, can you pull the high end out. I'm getting some hiss up here."

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2004-04-23, 7:45 PM #24
damn straight....*takes his cookie into a corner and nibbles on it, looking out at everyone suspiciously*

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2004-04-23, 8:00 PM #25
Comment re: KJV "If that English was good enough for Jesus and the apostles it's good enough for me.."

Uh.. yes, that's actually been heard..

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2004-04-23, 8:10 PM #26
Whaaaaat!?

That's almost as dumb as my new sig.

No, even moreso.

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Genesis 22:2-5 - And God said unto Abraham "You must kill your son, Isaac." And Abraham said "What? I can't hear you! You'll have to speak into the microphone." And God said "Check, check, check, check. Jerry, can you pull the high end out. I'm getting some hiss up here."

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2004-04-23, 8:42 PM #27
Right.

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2004-04-24, 2:26 AM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Master Jack:
This is why we should all listen to nothing but satriani.</font>


Well, next thing you know they'll say he has to be possessed by the demon to play this fast.



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2004-04-24, 5:36 AM #29
I actually wouldn't be surprised if I found something like that on their site.

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2004-04-24, 5:39 AM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dormouse:

This site totally cracks me up every time i read a review. It's hilarious, like ultra-fundamental movie reviews.
http://capalert.com/capreports/index.htm

I think my absolute favourite on there was something from Pirates of the Caribbean:
"excessive breast exposure, repeatedly", Flirb and i were on about that for quite some time.

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I like their description of Hugo Weaving in The Matrix.

"The actor playing the bad guy was exceptional at expressing cold hatred and orgasmic lust for killing, probably as good or better than Leonardo DiCaprio at expressing steely coldness about murder."

Orgasmic lust? o.O

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2004-04-24, 6:34 AM #31
# Offense to God (O)(2):
# Seven uses of God's name in vain with the four letter expletive and 5 without
# "My own personal Jesus Christ"
# tattoos (Lev. 19:28 "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
# levitation
# mystic transcendental nonsense
# prophesying the future
# portrayal of the matrix as God
# "Humans are a virus"
# resurrection from the dead
# stopping bullets with the mind
# promotion of anarchy (no rules, no boundaries)
# several references implying the central hero as being Moses or Jesus

Also from that site's Matrix review. Exactly how shallow are these people?

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2004-04-24, 7:16 AM #32
Ya... the reason the Bible says stuff about tatoos is because when it was written, tatoos had very religious connotations. Today it's all about what looks cool, or if you're a hick, how many you have.

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2004-04-24, 7:37 AM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Orgasmic lust? o.O</font>
Can you say "Freudian defense mechanism"?
2004-04-24, 5:22 PM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Thrawn42689:
Orgasmic lust? o.O
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Ever read Lord of the Flies?

Here are a couple of quotes from it describing the hunting/killing of a pig:

"Wedded to her in lust."

And upon finally killing it, "Release was like an orgasm."



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2004-04-25, 12:09 PM #35
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Hamhog999K:
The Bible says that if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord you will be saved... I'll get the verse to you guys in a bit if this thread is responded to again... </font>


Well, that's not all it says. For example, John 3:3-6 says: "Jesus replied, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born again....Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.'" Mark 16:16 says, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

Confession is part of salvation, but that's not all there is to it.
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2004-04-25, 12:44 PM #36
What thay dont realise is that the style of music isant the problem, and picking at imperfect people trying to reach youngpeople for Jesus is rong in it self. Everyone stumbles, many of these bands christian bands even have songs telling fans to 'watch them(there lives)', and asking questions 'what if i stumble, what if i loose my step and make a fool of us all'

en-e-way, listen to Five Iron Frenzy


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2004-04-25, 3:55 PM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blujay:
Well, that's not all it says. For example, John 3:3-6 says: "Jesus replied, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born again....Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.'" Mark 16:16 says, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."</font>
Hey thanks! I was needing some verses like these for another discussion.

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