It is if neither of them can get pregnant.

Are you insulting his manhood because he has not had sex with a girlfriend and is worried that others are making what seems - to him - to be bad choices?

I'm just not sure how to word how bad that is. For Shame.

I honestly think it depends on the people involved as to whether they are ready for an intimate relationship. I lost my virginity when I was 13 to a 17 year old, and I don't regret it at all. But alot of my friends are virgins, and the wouldn't dream of loosing it til they got married.
As far as being depressed, if your chemical are out of wack, I don't see why you couldn't be suicical in 6th grade or whenever your hormones decided to go nuts.

Well I'll be damned. I could have sworn...

exactly how is it my loss? she was damn hot... still is too

Even then, it's ridiculously stupid to do it without a condom.

*mental image of a fudgesicle*

Oh dear God....

Of course. I'm just saying that no one can get pregnant.

As long as you destroy all evidence afterwards :/

But think of how much hotter she could have been if you hadn't waited for her to say yes.

I think Pommy just lost his virginity all over the thread.

Dudes... it's just sex.

Seriously.

Y'all get worked up over nothing at all.

So basically sex is just a drug now? Just buy Marijuana or something. That way you don't risk creating a new life as a result of your irresponsibility.

What do you expect? The world is [you know the word] up. Sex is being polluted around society and people are depressed because of the destructive effect of humanity on this world fueled by the majority of people not caring and not doing a damn thing to mend the wounds.

Before modern advances in contraception, the man starved people from sexual intercourse, surrounding it with feelings of wrongness in order to control people. Now, the man merely lets people glut themselves on sex so that they'll be so oversaturated they don't have time to think about more troublesome realities...

nah... if i wouldn't ahve waited for her to say yes it would have been rape mr smarty pants

Since when is having sex irresponsible? My g/f is on the pill and she is very vigilant about taking it properly. I seriously don't see her getting pregnant any time soon.

i think that's the point. who doesn't love suprise sex?

I find it funny how the people who complain about others having sex too young and such are always the ones that have never either

A. Had sex of any kind other than their own hand

B. Have never had a girlfriend/boyfriend

A. I'm not stupid enough to do that kind of thing at this age

B. Yes I have.

way to insult quite a few people...

It's true though. Even with all the religous people on these boards, a lot of them decided to do something as retarded as that. Yes I know I'm insulting them, but come on, that's a little young in today's society. Plus, one of the reasons they did that back in the day, was because they only lived to be 35-40 something. We live twice as long, so do that thing twice as later. Or should. I seriously don't want to screw up my life at this age, but whatever floats your boat (Or in this case, Tickles your pickle). I'm just saying it's a stupid thing to do.

I don't care if I offend some of you, but yes, sex is a completely and utterly stupid thing to do at our age. Yes, you do have the right to do it, and by all means, go right ahead. But it doesn't make it any less stupid.

Who are you to decide whether it's stupid to do or not? It's only stupid if you're being an idiot about it and not taking the proper precautions.

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Well, it would be rather hypocritical if they had, now wouldn't it? I don't think anyone's contesting that it is a pleasurable thing. What we're contesting is that it's okay to have it so young, and others, like myself, contest that it should happen outside of a marriage.

General address: Call me a Bible Thumper or ignorant, or declare that I should be "shot in the head" if you want. I'm not voicing judgment or insults against anyone who believes differently than I. I have my reasons for my morality, and you have your reasons for your own. I'm not attacking you, and I would ask that you not attack me. It's a simple matter of mutual respect of each other's right to believe one way or another concerning sex, and to belittle someone simply because they believe that sex is appropriate at a later age or solely within a marriage is childish and a sign of an inability to maintain an assertive stance without resorting to bullish aggression.

What an interesting thread...

BV: at what age is sex considered 'not stupid anymore'? At 16 years old? What about 15 years, 11 months and 30 days? What is the cut-off point? Why stupid?

To the dudes who say sex transforms you into something evil 'in this ****ed up world': it's not like I go pushing old ladies under buses or anything. In a line-up, could you honestly seperate those who had sex from those who didn't, based on their ethics?

So, why stupid? Please no references to any book (*cough*) you have read on the subject, but personal experience: what experience, what data has led you to believe sex at age x is stupid?

(I agree though that people should generally be biologically ripe to have sex)

Im sorry, but I dont understand where the hell you get off telling people that they are sutpid or ignorant for having sex. It's THEIR choice. It doesnt make anyone stupid for commiting the act, its how you commit the act, if anything.

Its not your life, its not stupid, its their choice, run off and cry until you finally have sex.



Yeah, girls can get pregnant from it. But hell, it's an amazing "position" :p

Why stupid? STDs and pregnancy.

And yes, I'm saying this from experiance. 3 chicks have an STD now because of it, and several are now pregnant.

So, what.... you can only get pregnant or get an STD when you're not married? Or under 18? That doesn't make sense

What exactly leads any of you to think that these -14 year olds- are having sex responsibly? Let me take a few minutes of my Warcraft time to call you all stupid.

Argument 1:
I'm 21 and I have responsible sex with my girlfriend we use condoms and/or birth control and/or we've been tested for STDs, I don't see anything wrong with this.

-> Nothing wrong with YOU doing this. These kids are 14, how many of them do you think even KNOW about birth control? (Yes there are some smart kids out there, or kids who've been told early. SOME)

Argument 2: Back in the middle ages 14 year olds had sex all the time!

-> Um... WTF? First never bring up anything from hundreds of years ago as precedent, chances are it's not relevant. In those days an established man would take a young woman as his wife to start cranking out babies ASAP. In this case, they're both young, immature, and unable to support any accidents they may cause.

Argument 3: LOL U NVER HAS TEH SECKSORZ LOL I AM GETTING IT TWICE PER DAYZ LOL!!!!!11111?

-> Well having had sex, you're automatically the authority on all things, as your e-penis is absolutely collossal(sp?). All of our opinions are completely invalidated by this fact. (Chances are these people are also having safe responsible sex, but just because saying that 14 year olds should be having sex sounds ridiculous, is no reason not to point out that you're no longer a virgin to a bunch of Star Wars fans.)

Argument 4: I lost my virginity in the womb, stop being such prudes.

-> You've been enjoying sex for a long time, you've been lucky enough or smart enough to never have to deal with STDs or a pregnancy that could not be supported. Congratulations. What on EARTH makes you think the same morons who listen to N'Sync and buy pants 5 sizes too big are going to be taking the same precautions?

These are all the arguments that Mikus remembers and is most outraged by. At this point Mikus takes the time to open a second window and review the thread.

Argument 5: It's their life! Who are you to judge?

-> Yes it's their life to ruin if they want, or enjoy if they want, but we are all entitled to judge them as harshly as we want, and many of us have completely different values, morals, views, etc... from the other members of this board, our community and the world. I think this is wrong, several other people think this is wrong. It is completely within reason to talk about this, share our opinions, and be disgusted by their actions. Does it make it wrong? No. BUT TO US IT IS, who are YOU to judge that this is RIGHT?

There is no age that makes you magically ready for sex, there is no age where you suddenly become responsible, or suddenly immune to pregnancy and diseases, HOWEVER, -IN GENERAL- the people who have been referred to here (I will go so far as to say aged 13-17) are quite often NOT READY to have sex because they are IRRESPONSIBLE or MORONS.

To many people, sexual activities are considered special, and I think many people would agree with me that receiving oral sex in the bathroom between art class and french from a girl who has probably had more experience with wangs than I have somewhat detracts from the whole experience.

Personal info on Mikus:
Mikus is 17, attends highschool, and lives in Canada has have never had sex, he has had girlfriends and did sexual things, but never went that far. He doesn't believe in saving sex until marriage, but if he think he's going to marry a girl, and she does, he is capable of and willing to wait.

And as a final note, shout outs to Tempermental and Shintock for completely missing the point.

Ususally when you are married you WANT to have children, and you are tested for STDs. Are kids now a-days responsible enough to go get tested for STDs? No of course not. If you think my generation is bad.. *looks at the cussing, crude and annoying 6 year olds outside*.

Back at that age, both me and my former g/f had gone to the doctor to have the tests done (even though we were both virgins). After, we never once had sex without a condom. If at 14 we were able to be responsible, than others (as you said) can be as well. I just don't think it's right to condemn a whole age group just because they listen to pop music and buy clothes that don't fit them.

If anything, it's the parents' fault if the kids aren't properly educated on the subject. I think I was only 11 when my parents gave me the talk. At the same age as well, the nurse at school showed everyone how to put a condom on a fake wang. What more could you ask for? They don't do this anymore?

On a side note, any guy who's had a STD test done that long ago knows the pain of having the Q-Tip shoved up your wang. I think they do urine tests now.

Just because you had a plethora of information and your parents talked to you, doesn't mean it is the same with others. The fact that there are questions like "Can I get pregnant from oral sex?" on youth websites like TeenWire shows exactly what's wrong with this.

I'll concede that anyone who isn't informed enough (to the point of asking silly questions like that) should NOT be having sex.

And how many of these young people do you think are informed?
And if they are informed, how many of them are responsible enough to take the necessary precautions?

They er.. Don't. They just say use a condom and that's that. They never say go get tested, or how to put it on. They don't say what's right and what's wrong. :S At least they didn't at my school. Luckily my parents are responsible and they've already lectured me on it.

Look, i don't know anything of this whole ****, but cut it out guys, there are also guys of 12 years old on this site (like meh). not that i care, but sex is somthing of love. Let me point out people that are good and wrong

Good:
Somebody that haves sex out of love, and isn't depressed, and enjoys his life

Bad:
Somebody that rapes people, somebody that haves sex just to be 'cool' (never understanded the word 'cool'), somebody that is depressed, somebody that is so frickin' stupid to cut his own wrists. etc. etc.
YOU GOT THE POINT!

BTW. if somebody cuts his wrists. Don't let me hear it, because i will come over, reanimate you, shoot you in your head, reanimate you again and then burry you alive...oh yeah, gothicx: 'its forbidden by the bilbe'

/me bleeds dead

You seem to have this image fixated that anyone who is opposed to sex at such an early age is an overweight computer nerd who has pin-ups of Carrie Fisher and Natalie Portman all over his room.

Granted, that describes me to a tee, but that's not what's important here. Responding to attacks with attacks only offends the people who have remained civil toward the people who hold your position.

Stinkerhead.



As Mikus said, the greater majority of 14-year-olds are quite uninformed about sexually transmitted disease. Many of their parents refuse to talk about the subject to them (mine included). The fact that my school's sex education was during the Clinton administration didn't help.

5th grade: "This is the reproductive system. This is a penis." *wait for giggles to subside*
6th grade: "This is sex. Use a condom. Have fun."
7th grade: "This is sex. Don't do it until you're married."

Left me quite

The fact is, keeping sex within a marriage reduces the possibility of the spread of STDs. If person A has herpes, and is married and has sex with person B (it is quite possible to carry herpes without showing symptoms, so, yes, this could happen if there's no testing), then person B has herpes. It is contained.

If person A has sex with person B, C, and D over a period of x years, and then B, C, and D have sex with E & F, G & H, and I & J respectively, then you have spread the disease to quite a broader spectrum.

In addition, if a marriage was found on stable groundings (i.e., it will last), then it can also provide a much better environment in the case of an unexpected pregnancy. This is, of course, assuming that the two people were not in the passionate love stage of their relationship, in which case, their situation is little better than being born out of wedlock.

Hehe...



Yep, makes sense. I got a minor std when I was younger myself and I found that pretty incredible, even being arguably high class/high education - so yeah, I think the average 14 year old doesn't really know the deal. The solution is in rigorous education, and not in law enforcement I think (whatever that would be).

I disagree that sex should be "marriage only", since that's a pretty depriving notion and pretty unbearable if you ask me. All we can do is try to be virtually 100% protected against both pregnancy and illness - wear a mushroom helmet. If you do that, nobody is to blame in the improbable scenario of something bad or unexpected happening.

And I know there's not really much thinking in sex, as a lot of people will try to tell you, but try to do as Jimmy said: