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you americans DO NOT want this!
2005-03-03, 2:44 PM #1
i can't find a link anywhere but the cbc is reporting that greenspan has recommended that the US government impose a canadian style goods and services tax (gst). he says the gst would spur economic growth.
the gst was started in canada by brian mulroney (conservative). it is 7% on all goods and services. we pay 7% on EVERYTHING except food basics (which is about 85% of what you get at the grocery store) and childrens clothes.
if you purchase a service like an appliance repair, you are charged 7% on the service charge.

YOU DO NOT WANT THIS!! CALL WHOEVER YOU NEED TO CALL IN GOVERNMENT AND MAKE SURE YOU TELL THEM YOU DO NOT WANT THIS. OPPOSE IT VEHEMENTLY!! DO NOT LET THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN YOUR COUNTRY ALLOW THIS TO PASS!!!
2005-03-03, 2:49 PM #2
Great job telling everyone what they want. I don't think that's your place.

However, I'm not quite sure I understand this proposal completely. Could you explain a bit better?

EDIT: Americans already pay a sales tax on most things,...I'm pretty sure food is included.
2005-03-03, 2:52 PM #3
My state already has taxes like this (Taxachusetts).

I've long sicne beleived a national sales tax and lower federal income taxes would benefit both the federal government and consumers.
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2005-03-03, 2:53 PM #4
huh???

the american federal reserve board chairman, alan greenspan, is recomending you pay and extra 7% on EVERYTHING!
you want that?
i know about 33,567,908 canadians that don't.
2005-03-03, 2:53 PM #5
Signing up just to tell someone it's not their place to tell people what they want is not your place.
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2005-03-03, 2:53 PM #6
thats right, i don't
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2005-03-03, 2:54 PM #7
thanks jedikirby. although it's probably not my place to tell you thanks for telling someone else something.
sorry.
2005-03-03, 2:55 PM #8
Quote:
Originally posted by Genki
thats right, i don't


:rolleyes: I signed up a few weeks ago, this just happened to be my first post.

It's really not his place to tell 300 million people what they want...I'm not trying to be an *** or anything.

Oops, I quoted the wrong person. I meant to quote jedikirby sorry Genki
2005-03-03, 2:55 PM #9
Also, in your first post you indicated this was a Conservative initiative. However traditionally conservatives/republicans have opposed higher taxes and support smaller government. Higher taxes are a traditionally Liberal viewpoint (i.e. taxachusetts and canada,both heavily liberal).
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2005-03-03, 2:57 PM #10
true. but i did point out that it was a conservative federal government in canada that imposed the tax on us and in the current economic climate of the US, you may have a conservative government doing it there too.
2005-03-03, 2:57 PM #11
Taxes on services? That's downright unreasonable. You pay a tax because you're getting a tangible object. Hence, there is no product with the service, so no tax is applied... That's just outrageous. // me goes to call congressman.
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2005-03-03, 2:58 PM #12
I think a link about this would really help. Let me see if I can find one.
2005-03-03, 3:00 PM #13
Americans not whining as such about paying more money? I'm shocked.

Where does the cash go, then?
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2005-03-03, 3:00 PM #14
when i bought my house i paid 7% on $155,000. then i paid 7% on the lawyers fees (~$1500). then i paid 7% on the land transfer (another government service) and so on and so on...
when i bought my car i paid 7% because the guy that sold it to me performed the service of the sale. and then he charged me 7% on the service of the oil change at 8,000km and so on and so on...
2005-03-03, 3:01 PM #15
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Where does the cash go, then?

federal reserve. government coffers.
2005-03-03, 3:02 PM #16
I found this link on Google news, it's the closest thing I could find related to this issue.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=7802565
2005-03-03, 3:06 PM #17
Funny, I thought the US might do something like these taxes ideas in times of inflation. Hmm. :confused:
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2005-03-03, 3:07 PM #18
In the glorious state of Washington, *cough cough* we don't have tax on foods. We have 8.6% sales tax, and income tax... In Oregon... They don't have sales tax, but they do have property tax. Anyway, I think Oregon needs sales tax, but I don't think there should be a tax for EVERYTHING you buy. Especially if, for some crazy reason like getting lots more money, they placed it upon the sales tax that was already there... Anyway, I want to know whether this is a state or federal tax. I suppose it should be up to the state. I think that the state budgets, expecially washington, could use a little boost (I'm not saying I want 7% more on my every product I buy, though). Maybe a little increase in sales tax here would be reasonable.
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2005-03-03, 3:14 PM #19
Sweet mother of god no.

I will personally strangle Greenspan if I need to, this law will NOT be passed. We already pay too much to the damned government.

****.
D E A T H
2005-03-03, 3:27 PM #20
i've also heard something about dropping Income Tax and doing 23% sales tax :X
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2005-03-03, 3:33 PM #21
That wouldn't be so bad to residents of Las Vegas. They already pay 13% tax on everything. Food, Property, sales. Everything.
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2005-03-03, 3:43 PM #22
Quote:
Originally posted by Genki
i've also heard something about dropping Income Tax and doing 23% sales tax :X


Uh...link? And what Congressman would honestly pay 23% on everything?
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2005-03-03, 3:45 PM #23
Genki, that's the way it's done in Germany, and it works pretty well.
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2005-03-03, 3:57 PM #24
South Carolina, one of the cheepest places to live
4.5% sales tax
low income tax
high property/car tax
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2005-03-03, 4:13 PM #25
In Pennsylvania, you dont pay taxes on clothes. So whenever we go there to visit my aunt, we bring back a **** load of clothes.
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2005-03-03, 4:22 PM #26
wolfy, i pay 8% provincial sales tax and 7% goods and services tax. 15% on almost every piurchase in the last 14 years.
2005-03-03, 4:28 PM #27
The problem is, Greenspan controls the Federal Reserve, which is NOT a government agency. This means that there is no accountability of the federal reserve to the voters. In short, greenspan could do whatever he deems fit and none of us could do jack s*** about it. Fortunately, his planned changes have to go through congress.

In retrospect, who the hell set up America's economy this way where the people that control interest rates and determine how much money to print are entirely beyond the authority of the american voter?
2005-03-03, 4:29 PM #28
The only thing I've heard about this is what Genki said; dropping income tax and upping sales tax.

I personally think it's a great idea. It's not necassarily penalizing any income range like the current tax system may seem to do. It's just even for everyone.
2005-03-03, 5:12 PM #29
Us Brits pay 17.5% tax on EVERYTHING too.

7% is peanuts compared to that. Well, peanuts that are about half as big as whatever I'm comparing them too...

VAT

Value Added Tax.

The only things I know of that are VAT free (I must admit to not knowing about houses, but I'm sure that applies) are staple foods: eggs, flour, milk, bread, plain biscuits (for whatever reason) and childrens clothes. Adult clothes are considere a luxury, and are therefore taxed.

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2005-03-03, 5:21 PM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
The only thing I've heard about this is what Genki said; dropping income tax and upping sales tax.

I personally think it's a great idea. It's not necassarily penalizing any income range like the current tax system may seem to do. It's just even for everyone.


but what about people who don't pay any income tax... like little kids who's only income is from allowance or lunch money or even mowing lawns... say they are saving up for a new game

in indiana sales tax is 6% that's $53
if it jumped to 23% $61.50
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2005-03-03, 5:24 PM #31
It can't be helped. We either need to increase taxes or cut spending. And we all know how likely either is under the Bush Administration..
2005-03-03, 5:34 PM #32
Quote:
Also, in your first post you indicated this was a Conservative initiative. However traditionally conservatives/republicans have opposed higher taxes and support smaller government. Higher taxes are a traditionally Liberal viewpoint (i.e. taxachusetts and canada,both heavily liberal).


Right. Conservatives favour less taxes FOR THE RICH; and with a GST the burden of tax-paying is placed more heavily on the poor (who buy more stuff per dollar possessed than the rich do).

Australia had a GST (10%!) forced on us (after we were promised that he wouldn't implement one. But hey, he recently promised that interest rates would not rise, too, and they just have... And then there was the promise that no more Australians would be sent to Iraq, and they just have...) by a Conservative government, too. Notice that any time someone wants to "reform" the tax system it involves the rich paying less and the poor paying more.
2005-03-03, 5:39 PM #33
Quote:
Originally posted by Darth Evad
wolfy, i pay 8% provincial sales tax and 7% goods and services tax. 15% on almost every piurchase in the last 14 years.


I didn't say I thought that a 7% tax on everything was a good idea. I'm quite fine with paying 10-15% income tax and 7.225% sales tax.
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2005-03-03, 5:45 PM #34
Quote:
Originally posted by Freelancer
Genki, that's the way it's done in Germany, and it works pretty well.


That's why their economy is stagnating, right?

As far as I can tell, the more taxes you have, the worse off an economy is. Because then the government controls more money...and when the government controls more money, the people have less to spend...etc etc.
D E A T H
2005-03-03, 5:50 PM #35
How the hell would you know what effect Germany's taxes have on its economy? Really... stop pulling stuff out of your ***.
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2005-03-03, 5:54 PM #36
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It's what effects taxes have on economies period. It's a proven fact that when you cut taxes, people spend more. That's what makes economies go.

It's not that hard of a connection to make. Why do you think Bush gave tax-cuts during the Recession after 9-11, genius?
D E A T H
2005-03-03, 6:06 PM #37
I don't know, because he shouldn't have. You don't simultaneously cut taxes and raise spending. It's not responsible.
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2005-03-03, 6:10 PM #38
That would be awesome! We already spend almost 10% on everything, including food. A decrease to 7% would rock.
2005-03-03, 6:12 PM #39
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
That would be awesome! We already spend almost 10% on everything, including food. A decrease to 7% would rock.


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2005-03-03, 6:58 PM #40
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
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It's what effects taxes have on economies period. It's a proven fact that when you cut taxes, people spend more. That's what makes economies go.

It's not that hard of a connection to make. Why do you think Bush gave tax-cuts during the Recession after 9-11, genius?



And of course, you pass over the fact that Germany's recession began shortly after reunification. It must be taxes! It CERTAINLY couldn't be the effects of poor, Soviet-dominated East Germany dragging down wealthy West Germany!
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