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Dinosaur soft tissue...FOUND!

2005-03-24, 1:50 PM #1

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Discuss.

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2005-03-24, 1:52 PM #2

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2005-03-24, 2:00 PM #3

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2005-03-24, 2:01 PM #4

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2005-03-24, 2:01 PM #5

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2005-03-24, 2:06 PM #6

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Awesome! I really hope there's attempts at cloning. It would put a lot of questions to rest.

2005-03-24, 2:10 PM #7

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Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
Awesome! I really hope there's attempts at cloning. It would put a lot of questions to rest.

And probably generate a heck of a lot more as well.

2005-03-24, 2:17 PM #8

kyle90

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Clone it. Now.

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2005-03-24, 2:20 PM #9

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this is an incredible discovery

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2005-03-24, 2:30 PM #10

Sarn_Cadrill

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would this perhaps imply that dinosaurs are not quite as old as the scientific world has assumed?

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2005-03-24, 2:31 PM #11

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Yes, clone it. Ever seen Jurassic Park? That's what I thought.

Think while it's still legal.

2005-03-24, 2:37 PM #12

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Noone skeptical about this? I'm excited, but I'm not sure...

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2005-03-24, 2:43 PM #13

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Yah, SAJN is right. There's no possible way that what we might learn by cloning a dinosaur could outweigh the extreme danger foretold by a Michael Crichton book. While we're at it, we'd better halt all research into nanotechnology and quantum computing too. [/sarcasm]

Seriously though, I don't think that cloning dinosaurs would be any more dangerous than, say, cloning other types of predators. Even if a T-Rex got loose and started rampaging around a city (which would make for some kick-*** news footage), it wouldn't take much to bring it down. Hmmm.... maybe cloned dinosaurs could be a basis for the next season of Survivor.... "Survivor: Cretacious Period". Now THATS quality TV.

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2005-03-24, 2:49 PM #14

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Quote:

Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill
would this perhaps imply that dinosaurs are not quite as old as the scientific world has assumed?

How exactly do you figure that?

Oh and, wouldn't cloning require a living T-Rex as a host?

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2005-03-24, 2:54 PM #15

Sarn_Cadrill

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well, I admit, I'm not an expert, but it would seem that;
if tissue that is 70 million years old fossilizes
and dinosaur tissue is found unfossilized,
then said tissue is not 70 million years old.

simple logic, right?

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2005-03-24, 2:54 PM #16

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Quote:

...I was kidding...

Think while it's still legal.

2005-03-24, 2:57 PM #17

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Yah, so was I... no offense intended :p

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2005-03-24, 3:00 PM #18

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I agree, seems a bit suspicious.

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2005-03-24, 3:05 PM #19

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Quote:

Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill
well, I admit, I'm not an expert, but it would seem that;
if tissue that is 70 million years old fossilizes
and dinosaur tissue is found unfossilized,
then said tissue is not 70 million years old.

simple logic, right?

So what about all the tissue that IS fossilized? Eh? Eh?

2005-03-24, 3:06 PM #20

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I have to concur, how would it have managed to remain "un-fossilized?"

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2005-03-24, 3:07 PM #21

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I think we'll find that Jurassic park slightly exaggerates on some points. I'd say that as long as due precautions were taken, cloning a t-rex wouldn't be that bad, if it could be done. Besides, a lot could be learnt.

The question is, what animal do we implant the t-rex embryo into? (Doe it work like that, or are t-rex's grown via eggs? I don't know much about dinosaurs...)

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2005-03-24, 3:11 PM #22

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Well, they come from eggs, so theoretically you wouldn't even have to put it in an animal... just trick it into thinking it's fertilized and then keep it warm. It would be a lot easier than cloning a mammal... (maybe that's why they haven't cloned that wolly mammoth yet).

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2005-03-24, 3:11 PM #23

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They'd but an embryo into some sort of iguana if they needed to, but dinosaurs layed eggs

nope.

2005-03-24, 3:19 PM #24

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I think we should all clone ourselves and make armies.

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2005-03-24, 3:41 PM #25

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I do hope they find some DNA in it, and make sure that this "stuff" belongs to a dino.

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2005-03-24, 3:43 PM #26

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Actually, I'm sure they'd try putting it in an ostrich before they put it in an iguana.

And I didn't say they should let it develop to adulthood. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would be unable to fully mature, or perhaps even live at all. The earth's atmosphere has changed a lot in the past 65 millions years. But even a dinosaur fetus would tell a lot about the creature, and perhaps about evolution in general.

2005-03-24, 4:22 PM #27

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2005-03-24, 4:23 PM #28

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2005-03-24, 4:30 PM #29

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NUbs, I can vaguely recall the opening tune.

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2005-03-24, 4:41 PM #30

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It's actually quite rare for a bone to become fossilised. It requires some pretty specific conditions to occur.

If you were buried in a spot suitable for fossilisation, you'd be lucky if 1 of your bones managed it.

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2005-03-24, 4:45 PM #31

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I totally agree ont he cloning part.. DEFINATELY CLONE IT! I hope this raises a bunch of interest in the scientific community. So much that they will pass a vote weither to clone it or not (we'll probably have to wait till bush gets out of office)...

As for the Jurassic Park thing.... it would be no more dangerious than a regular zoo.. all of them are animals that have probably never seen their own habitat. Lions are fierce, but they can be tame. Dinosaurs arn't demons that just want to escape to see how many people they can kill.

Who else would think it'd be cool to see little dinosaurs running around on trails and such (like birds and small lizards do now..)

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2005-03-24, 4:48 PM #32

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Would now be a really bad time for me to say I told you so?

2005-03-24, 4:49 PM #33

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I'd imagine there'd be a lot more "mundane" issues to worry about, like the effects of a practically foreign species loose in the world ecosystem (yes, not if, when -- human stupidity let us know it could happen, and thanks to things like killer bees, has happened) and religious extremists taking violent action and the like, not so much the issue on prehistoric animals becoming the top of the food chain again. :p

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2005-03-24, 4:50 PM #34

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@Obi: Maybe, if we had a clue what it was that you told us.

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2005-03-24, 4:54 PM #35

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Well then just don't relese them in the wild.. keep them in zoos... or put them all on an Island like in Lost World

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2005-03-24, 5:07 PM #36

Obi_Kwiet

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Never mind.

Clone it! I can't wait till I can get my first pet T-rex!

2005-03-24, 5:22 PM #37

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Quote:

Originally posted by Flexor
How exactly do you figure that?

Oh and, wouldn't cloning require a living T-Rex as a host?

only if you want to make one that has t-rex mitochondria dna.l (google it if you dont know what it is) (dna inherited from the mitochondria of the ova or egg)

otherwise, you will get something 99.9 percent t-rex and .1 percent some other large lizard.

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2005-03-24, 5:26 PM #38

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Quote:

Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill
well, I admit, I'm not an expert, but it would seem that;
if tissue that is 70 million years old fossilizes
and dinosaur tissue is found unfossilized,
then said tissue is not 70 million years old.

simple logic, right?

we have found some ancient human remains that had the brain fully intact (albeit slightly shrunken). we have also found about three (I think) dinosaurs that had been mumified. so it is entirely possible that if a dinosuar had 70 million of perfect conditions that some soft tissue could survive.

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2005-03-24, 5:29 PM #39

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Quote:

Originally posted by Nubs
Anyone who remember Denver the Last Dinosaur gets a cookie...

that was a sweet show.

but what about Greedysaurus and that show Dinosuacers (sp?)

those were also cool.

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2005-03-24, 5:30 PM #40

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fosilized bone could very well be an environment where the is no O2 or bacteria and depending on the circumstances and the environment the bone was in, it could very well preserve the flesh for who knows how long.