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2004-04-27, 10:54 PM #1
I've got to make a presentation in my English class (I live in Germany). I have to tell them something about the candidates for the next election.

It's hard to find a EU-citizen who is pro-Bush, that's why I ask you US-citizens, why someone of you would still vote for Bush.

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2004-04-27, 11:03 PM #2
I don't know if I'll vote for Bush, I just know I won't be voting for Kerry...

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2004-04-27, 11:08 PM #3
And why? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] I need information... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

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2004-04-27, 11:17 PM #4
He got the partial birth abortion ban through, and he's still pro-life. Considering the millions of babies being slaughtered each year, I think this is enough to outweigh the harmful things he's done: Patriot Act, Dept. of Homeland Security, etc.

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2004-04-27, 11:17 PM #5
Well, I don't exactly like Bush. I don't like what he's done. But I'm afraid of what Kerry might do. He keeps changing what he says, and it seems like he's trying to trick everyone into voting for him by convincing people he's someone who he is not. I would vote for a libertarian, but I'm almost afraid that the libertarians will be like the green party of the last election, and "steal" votes from Bush, giving Kerry the win. I can honestly say, this isn't an election I'm looking forward to.

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2004-04-28, 12:44 AM #6
For me, its really like trying to choose between the lesser of two evils. I cant say that either would be my first choice, but if I vote for an independant candidate, it would pretty much be a wasted vote seeing as how none of them really stand a chance.

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2004-04-28, 1:18 AM #7
Now, I know I'm not in the US, so I don't really have any say in the matter, but I keep wondering when Colin Powell will run for President. Out of the current administration, he's the one I like the most. Sure he'd have to deal with some skeletons in his closet (his My Lai report and whatever else dirt reporters could dig up) but I find him likeable, honest, and he seems to be very skilled at dealing with foreign policy issues. He's a good speaker with real genuine personal conviction. He doesn't come off as a puppet of the cabinet.

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2004-04-28, 4:27 AM #8
I don't want to turn this into a debate, but I wouldn't vote for Bush because of his pro-life stance. Not only has he changed his position at least once, but he has done nothing to restrict abortion. Pushing for and passing a law that you know will be overturned is a political game: Bush threw a bone to his pro-life supporters while ensuring that nothing actually changed.
2004-04-28, 5:39 AM #9
Colin Powell would have all 4 and a half of my votes.

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2004-04-28, 5:44 AM #10
I think the US has the same problem as Britain; there's no-one to vote for.
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2004-04-28, 6:10 AM #11
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY:
Colin Powell would have all 4 and a half of my votes.

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I used to really like Colin Powell, but now I'm not so sure anymore. It's been rumored before that he might run for President some day. However, it has been indicated that he has some skeletons in the closet that would prevent him from ever actually running. Oh well.

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2004-04-28, 6:22 AM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
I think the US has the same problem as Britain; there's no-one to vote for.</font>
More likely whoever's running is either Tony Blair, Derrick Smallparty or Keith Party-Upheavel.

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2004-04-28, 8:59 AM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wuss:
I used to really like Colin Powell, but now I'm not so sure anymore. It's been rumored before that he might run for President some day. However, it has been indicated that he has some skeletons in the closet that would prevent him from ever actually running. Oh well.

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That and he has stated his family fears possibile assassination attempts.


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2004-04-28, 9:03 AM #14
He also promised his wife that he would never run for President.

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2004-04-28, 9:08 AM #15
I would vote for Bush because of the aforementioned idea that no one really wants Kerry as president.

However, I will be voting libertarian. Let's get them that 5% so they can get Federal Dollars, even though I think they do already...

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2004-04-28, 9:10 AM #16
One reason why I might vote for Bush is because he is pumping money into the military. I am going into the ROTC this fall and I might even start Army National Guard this summer, so the more money in the military, the better benefits I get.



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2004-04-28, 9:11 AM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kieran Horn:
One reason why I might vote for Bush is because he is pumping money into the military. I am going into the ROTC this fall and I might even start Army National Guard this summer, so the more money in the military, the better benefits I get.

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Yeah, except that he cut back on retirement benifits.

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2004-04-28, 9:12 AM #18
I agree that Colin Powell would be a good choice for president. However, millions of conservative to reactionary people in the south would be filled with hate at the thought of him, a fair, balanced, and truly rational thinker with astounding talent for foreign policy running for president.

Mylsef, I'll be voting for Kerry. Personally, I would have preffered Al Sharpton (he was the only Dem that ran that you couldn't poke a hole in, which is truly rare in politics), but Kerry still gets a grade of D+ to C-. Bush still gets an E, and voting for a third-party candidate is a non-selective vote against that party's ideological wing (I.E, a vote for Nader goes against the left wing, jsut as votes for Pat Buchanan and Perot hurt the right wing).

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2004-04-28, 9:15 AM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Schming:
I would vote for Bush because of the aforementioned idea that no one really wants Kerry as president.</font>

While I agree that Kerry would make no great president, he would at least be better than Bush (Kerry would likely result in France, Germany and Russia eing more cooperative), and I know well that we can't simpyl go from a horrific president to a great president in one election; it takes time, and must be done in smaller steps.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Schming:
However, I will be voting libertarian. Let's get them that 5% so they can get Federal Dollars, even though I think they do already...</font>

No, they don't get federal money yet. Only in two presidential elections has a third-party candidate recieved more the 5% of the popular vote: Ross Perot, in 1992 and 1996.

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2004-04-28, 9:16 AM #20
Bush has upset me greatly with the amnesty bill for illegals. At the same time, he won't put the troops/nat. guard on the border to curb the illegal immigrate river. So in the mean time, San Diego, L.A., Riverside, and Orange counties are going to have to deal with with wave after wave of illegals flowing in. I can only imagine the problems NM and TX are going to have.

Still, Bush is much better than Kerry, IMO. Kerry wants to repeal the tax cuts made by Bush and decrease funding for the defense (when they absolutely DO NOT need it). Kerry wants to cut taxes for those who don't really pay taxes yet increase them for the wealthy ones. Punishing success doesn't fuel economies. See California during Davis years for details.

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2004-04-28, 9:16 AM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It's hard to find a EU-citizen who is pro-Bush, that's why I ask you US-citizens, why someone of you would still vote for Bush.</font>


For many folks, it's less a matter of voting for Bush, and more a matter of voting for a Conservative Republican. There are as many logical reasons to vote for Bush as there are to vote for anyone else. Much of it comes down to your political/economic stances. I don't really see how this would be any different than in any other country.

I'm not sure if I'll vote this time around. I'm not sold on any of the candidates, and I'm not the type of person who chooses a lesser evil. I simply vote when I truly agree with and trust a candidate to be good for this country. Maybe I'll help an independent party receive their 5%.

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2004-04-30, 12:18 PM #22
You could ask my Norwegian social studies teacher, he'd give you all the pro-Bush you'd ever want (I'm an opinional pacifist, though, I try not to have an opinion at all)

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2004-04-30, 1:22 PM #23
if i cared enough to vote, i'd vote Bush because of his anti-abortion stance.

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2004-04-30, 2:59 PM #24
Because foreign policy is very important in my mind, especially right now. Bush's foreign policy is centered on political and economic reform in the Muslim world as a means to fight terrorism, which is something I believe in strongly. His execution has not alwas been perfect, but he has shown conviction. Mr Kerry's foreign policy seems to have no real substance of its own other than criticism of Bush, so I find him doubly undesirable.

Domestically I do not really like him at all, except for his pro-free trade stance. But I can overlook that, for now.
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2004-04-30, 3:21 PM #25
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gandalv the Gray:
I'm an opinional pacifist
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2004-04-30, 5:26 PM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NoESC:
You're a thing that babies suck on?

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2004-04-30, 5:40 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ric_Olie:
"No, that's a *****fist."

"No, you mean pacifier."

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o.O You reversed it completely, and censored part of a normal word.

Stop scaring me.

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2004-04-30, 5:43 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Roach:
Yeah, except that he cut back on retirement benifits.

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2004-04-30, 5:45 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ric_Olie:
"No, that's a *****fist."

"No, you mean pacifier."

<3 RvB.

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It's

Caboose: You're a thing that babies suck on?
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Church: I think he means 'pacifier', Tucker.
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2004-04-30, 5:47 PM #30
I apologize. I was completely thinking about something else...er...my memory fails me often.

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