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Der Untergang
2005-04-16, 2:30 PM #1
[URL=imdb.com/title/tt0363163/]Der Untergang.[/URL] Has anyone seen this film? Its about Hitler and the final days of the Third Reich. I thought it was very well done on all counts, Ganz's performance of Adolf Hitler was amazing.
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2005-04-16, 4:08 PM #2
Do you mean Downfall? If so, I've been meaning to go see it, it's supposed to be quite good.
2005-04-16, 4:24 PM #3
Well if you bothered to click the link, you would have found out yes he means that. :p
Yes, he means that, Der Untergang essessially means the downfall.
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2005-04-16, 4:56 PM #4
I didn't click the link, was in a hurry. And I know der Untergang means downfall, just wasn't sure if it was the same movie...it being called Downfall in the US and all...
2005-04-16, 5:47 PM #5
I thought der untergang was awesome. One question though: was Hitler actually so much in denial the final days (in one scene, he promises someone a huge airforce, with hundreds of airplanes awaiting his commands). Traudl Junge was hot
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2005-04-16, 6:21 PM #6
From what I've heard he really did go crazy in the last few days, ordering imaginary platoons to attack and defend...it's just that no one had the guts to tell him he was crazy.
2005-04-16, 7:17 PM #7
Quote:
Originally posted by Tenshu
I thought der untergang was awesome. One question though: was Hitler actually so much in denial the final days (in one scene, he promises someone a huge airforce, with hundreds of airplanes awaiting his commands). Traudl Junge was hot


I think he's just in so much denial that his superior motives could not be fufilled so he blamed others, like that scene where he ripped up on the Generals for "ignoring" every order he gave.
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2005-04-16, 8:59 PM #8
A German movie about Hitler... Takes balls to make something like that.
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2005-04-17, 4:54 AM #9
Yeah, the movie is very controversial because Hitler is partly portraied as a nice uncle that cares for his family. But I've never seen the movie so I don't know how far they took it.
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2005-04-17, 5:28 AM #10
I read a review of this a while back and I'd like to see it. I'll wait for the DVD rental, no local cinemas will probably show this as it doesn't have enough box office potential (read: explosions and breasts).

Not to say that the man didn't commit some really terrible deeds, but I really like the idea of Hitler (or Nazis at all really) actually being portrayed as a human being instead of a flat-out villain.
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2005-04-17, 11:42 AM #11
I thought it was a great movie. Though, it was a little odd seeing Hitler cry...
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2005-04-17, 1:08 PM #12
It seems to have received positive reviews all aroun:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/downfall/
2005-04-17, 1:45 PM #13
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Originally posted by Impi
Yeah, the movie is very controversial because Hitler is partly portraied as a nice uncle that cares for his family. But I've never seen the movie so I don't know how far they took it.


What's the problem with that?
2005-04-18, 11:26 AM #14
Some people say that Germans shouldn't do things like that. Some criticized that this was disrespectfull of the victims of the holocaust. It was often looked upon as "that Nazi-movie" and not a movie that could be important as well as good.
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2005-04-18, 1:32 PM #15
But Hitler was just a man, so to show him as such and have people get offended by it is pretty ridiculous, but no doubt it happened a lot.
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2005-04-18, 3:12 PM #16
I thought downfall was superb, and I really don't see how it could be seen as disrespectful of holocaust victims. Yes it was a film about high ranking Nazis, their families and the intrigue panic and history of the fall of Hitler, but in no way did it reference the Holocaust (at least until the end where Traudl said her piece). From what I understand of Germany, (and I live with two people who study German and Germany for their degrees, and know many more more very well), the German people feel like they are still being forced to apologise for the Holocaust. The current generation obviously should never forget, nor any generation, but in Germany, people are tired of being made to feel guilty about it.

I don't want that to come off as harsh, but the point I'm getting at is that the Holocaust is nothing to do with Downfall: that's been dealt with, and I think it's about time that something like this can be done properly and respectfully.

The film is based on two books, one of which is based on Traudl's memoirs, which will obviously tend (intentionally or not) to paint her character in a positive light, yet there is little reason to throw into question the majority of the portrayals of the other people in the film.

My only real criticism of the film is the boy, Peter, who ends up meeting up with Traudl at the climax - it seemed unnecessarily 'cheesy'.

If you can see this film, do. It's an excellent piece of cinema.

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2005-04-18, 5:01 PM #17
It's playing around here for the next week or so, and I plan to see it.
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2005-04-18, 5:57 PM #18
Ich habe ,,Der Untergang" nicht gesehen...

Anyways, I have a lot of friends from Germany. I'm learning german, and I'm German blood myself (but I'm from America, fools.). Germans have this thing where they think their country is the most evil one in the world. Serves them good reason for the ignorant side of Americans, but we must remeber things change.

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