Supposedly this game is a "GT4 Killer" as they say. I don't know about that, but it does look damned cool. It's got less cars than GT4, but it's got a full damage model, and insane cusomization possibilities.

This game just proves that Microsoft is really up to just about any challenge. It's getting great reviews and it'll be in stores tomorrow. I'll have to be there early to grab a copy.

I'm picking my copy up Friday The reason it's so much more realistic is because of it's physics engine. Where GT4 uses realistic numbers to determine a car's performance, it's still very basic. There's a general formula to figure acceleration, including mods and all. For Forza, each part of the drive train is figured into the formula. For example, the weight of the camshafts, cam gears, crankshaft, pistons, driveshaft, axles, brakes, wheels etc. is figured into the formula to determine acceleration, throttle response, and top speed. Same things for turning, braking, and well...everything. GT4 just isn't that complex and the realism suffers because of it.

i've, heard about it and i am looking fowrd to owning both of them yay!

I just got a call saying my copy of Forza will be available for pick-up tomorrow!

Can't wait... I have the demo disc, and just from that, the game will definitely be great GT4 competition.

I'm really excited about this game now. I've been reading reviews all night which say this game beats GT4 hands down. That's quite a claim, but I've been waiting for a game to do that for so long.

I'm really excited about the physics and such like Crimson was talking about. It's amazing to have such an in depth game coming out. This really seems like the racing game I have been waiting for, and this game seriously looks like it has something for everyone.

I also love how you can take cars from one class into another. So if something's in a lower class, you can beef up the car enough to put it in a higher class. That, to me, is awesome, and just another small detail in this game which seems to make it worthwhile.

I don't have an x-box, so to be honest I don't care much.

GT4 Mobile FTW!

Forza make me want to get an x-box again. I believe it won't "kill" GT4, but it's going to give it a huge run for it's money.

It probably will. I mean I'd love to play it...but I'm not gonna run out and buy a system that's about to be old hat just because one game comes out :p

I expected the same thing, Compos. Every time someone releases one of these games everyone is talking it up before release. "So and so has made a GT killer this time!!!1"

Yeah, right. Then the reviews start flowing and everyone's like "It's good.. but it doesn't touch the latest iteration of GT."

This time is a little different. I'm seeing headlines which say stuff like "What GT4 should have been!" I mean, GT4 got some really amazing reviews, and they're sayin this game literally blows it away.

That reminds me of what I said when RE4 came out...

*Looks over at gamecube*

And look how that turned out...

But ya see, RE4 has a zombie killing experience that can't be matched.

If you want a hyper-realistic racer...just play some GT4 :p. I mean hell, they're practically giving away PS2s now :p

The thing that made me shy away from GT4 is that any game claiming to be a hyper realistic racer... where cars do not recieve damage at all... uh... is not hyper realistic. But that's just me.

I'm with you, but the reason they don't have damage models is a very good one.

I heard something about how the guy who made it would want to crash all the cars in real life or something like that... I don't know.

I know most of the time when licensed cars are used, it costs alot of money to get the manufacturers to agree to let them be damaged in game. MS rocks at paying people off.

Yes to the first part. To the second part--I don't think MS is using real cars, is their gimmick.

Wait, you mean you don't think the cars in the game are real? I don't get it.

I don't remember, but I think they use false brands of cars. No licensing fees out the *** that way.

No, Yoshi, there are like 290 licensed cars.

My bad.

Yeah, dude, that's why I said I'm glad MS has the money they do... I could see the conferance call...

Ferrarri "Uh... we aren't going to let you damage our cars in game."

MS "Wanna bet?" *opens checkbook*

Interesting. Wonder if the driving model is as good as GT4.

I packed my x-box up for my move to Tallahassee on saturday. I may just have to unpack it when Forza gets here tomorrow. Yep.

Alright, I just got home, and picked the game up.

I've been playing for only about a half hour... but I really suck... but I still like the game... not sure which I like more yet, GT4 or Forza

I have the two Project Gotham Racing games. Great semi-realistic arcade fun. GT has never done much for me. I appreciate the game for what it is and I'm a car guy so I have nothing against it. To me it's just overhyped. Maybe what the game(s) did realistically was the best at it's release but to me it is not the car sim it is made out to be when you can drive into a brick wall with no damage. Hell, at least the cars in PGR get banged up and they're all licensed.

I think Forza has the chance to be crowned king of the genre. Sure, fewer cars but that's probably not so much of a big deal. It will feature Live compatibility with free and premium downloads and multiplayer. Physics model should be better. Graphics should certainly be better as the PS2 is the inferior hardware and Forza will undoubtedly be highly optimized for the XBox. I'll still wait for the "official" reviews but I have a feeling I'll be picking this title up.

The reason GT4 has so many cars is because half of them are just minor variations of one or two cars. I swear, there's like a thousand variations of the crappy Civic in that game.

Official reviews? Like IGN? If so, then you can stop waiting, IGN has had their review up for a few days now, and gave it a 9.5

The back of the Forza box actually doesn't have "Downloadable Content" or whatver highlighted, saying it supports it... and I haven't seen anything about it in the menus either... but I haven't messed with the menus (especially the live menus) much.