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General Election
2005-05-04, 8:21 AM #1
This is thread calling on all British Massassians as Thusday sees the day of the polls in the UK and Im asking if anyone is going to vote. (I am btw). You can say who your voting for if you wish.
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2005-05-04, 8:25 AM #2
Liberal Dem's
I want Labour out and I don't trust the Conservatives.

I would vote for one of the smaller parties if I thought they had a chance.
2005-05-04, 8:27 AM #3
Lib Dems here too.

Pretty much same reasons as Berlick. I'd have probably voted conservative if William Hague was still leader though.
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2005-05-04, 8:33 AM #4
No idea where the polling place is, but if I did i'd vote Labour. I agree with their policies the most.
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2005-05-04, 8:39 AM #5
labour suck and voting libdems is just throwing awat your vote

conservatives or bust u stupid skanks
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2005-05-04, 8:42 AM #6
Ruthven, you will be banned if you can't deal with this topic without insulting people.
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2005-05-04, 8:42 AM #7
If I was born in '87, I'd be voting Lib Dem.

And remember: Veritas - it's not just for old men.
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2005-05-04, 8:50 AM #8
I was born in '87, and I'm still too young to vote. Since that's true, I haven't been taking an interest in each party's policies.
2005-05-04, 9:05 AM #9
Really cant see how anyone would vote labour. (I couldnt understand how they got again last time!)


Lets recap some of the great decisions Blair has made:

2000 - Petrol Crisis, oh how well Blair handled himself there.

2001 - Foot and Mouth, yet another blunder by Blair.

2003 - Iraq. How many people in this country wanted to go to war? A small minority. Of coursem we went to war anyway under the arguement that Saddam could deploy WMD's within 45 mins.... there never were any. Great decision, Blair.

In all three of these incidents Blair made the wrong decision.

Lets not also forget the Sixty Six stealth taxes the Labour government has introduced since it came to power... during the 2001 election blair say he wasnt going to raise national insurance.

Yes, you can really trust Tony Blair.

I dont know why, but people seem to forget this stuff on polling day.
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2005-05-04, 9:08 AM #10
If you guys re-vote Blair I'm going to stop buying English tea.
2005-05-04, 9:14 AM #11
Quote:
Originally posted by TheJkWhoSaysNi
Really cant see how anyone would vote labour. (I couldnt understand how they got again last time!)


Lets recap some of the great decisions Blair has made:

2000 - Petrol Crisis, oh how well Blair handled himself there.

2001 - Foot and Mouth, yet another blunder by Blair.

2003 - Iraq. How many people in this country wanted to go to war? A small minority. Of coursem we went to war anyway under the arguement that Saddam could deploy WMD's within 45 mins.... there never were any. Great decision, Blair.

In all three of these incidents Blair made the wrong decision.

Lets not also forget the Sixty Six stealth taxes the Labour government has introduced since it came to power... during the 2001 election blair say he wasnt going to raise national insurance.

Yes, you can really trust Tony Blair.

I dont know why, but people seem to forget this stuff on polling day.


2000 - Resolved in a week.
2001 - Can't remember the specifics, but retrospect is a wonderful thing.
2003 - I supported the war on moral grounds, I couldn't care less if Saddam was a threat to ME, he was a threat to innocent people.

Tories have been running a weak campaign and I support their policies the least.

Lib Dems have been running a campaign to win more seats, not to win. Charles Kennedy is not suitable to be PM.

UKIP and Veritas I just plain don't like.

Labour match my views the closest and Gordon Brown is bloody brilliant.
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2005-05-04, 9:17 AM #12
For those of us on the flip-side of the pond, explain to us British political parties and their stances.
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2005-05-04, 9:26 AM #13
Quote:
Originally posted by Shintock
If you guys re-vote Blair I'm going to stop buying English tea.


We re-voted Bush. *Bah! No mocking smily* ;)
2005-05-04, 10:14 AM #14
Quote:
Originally posted by JediGandalf
For those of us on the flip-side of the pond, explain to us British political parties and their stances.


http://bubl.ac.uk/uk/parties.htm

It's a list of all the parties web sites. Enjoy.
2005-05-04, 10:33 AM #15
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4503061.stm
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2005-05-04, 10:39 AM #16
although the lib dems have lovely policies, the lala wonderland in which they have power is not the same country i live in.

I prefer the conservative policies but the little guy got supremely ****ed over the last time they were in power.

i am still undecided as to where my vote is going.

A major reason I am put off labour is the new local MP.

The old guy we had, Derek Foster was a great MP, now bloody new labour have ballsed that up.

because of this equal rights malarkey, mr blair has decided our new MP must be a female, this is strange to start with, considering everyone knows political ability is judged on the candidates sex and not their beliefs.

All joking aside, i couldn't care less if it were a woman or not, the fact is they have chosen a woman who is from the other side of the country and does not have a clue about the area.

Sad fact is, my area always has a labour victory.

Just a few miles up the road lies Sedgefield, tony blairs area. I've been begging all my friends in sedgefield to vote conservative, a labour government without blair would be a great start.

/me kicks head.
2005-05-04, 10:55 AM #17
Labour are quite obviously going to win the general election, there isn't much doubt about that. It's the local elections that you should be basing your vote on.

Quote:
Just a few miles up the road lies Sedgefield, tony blairs area. I've been begging all my friends in sedgefield to vote conservative, a labour government without blair would be a great start.


Except he's going to hand over to Brown eventually.

But you vote for the party, not the person.
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2005-05-04, 10:56 AM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by JediGandalf
For those of us on the flip-side of the pond, explain to us British political parties and their stances.


Heres a comparison of the parties policies:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/issues/html/grid.stm?s1=CON_UK&s2=LAB_UK&s3=LD_UK&x=9&y=11
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2005-05-04, 5:46 PM #19
After a reading of the page(s) given I can conclude this

Liberal Democrats = America's Democratic Party. The ideologies are virtually identical.

I'm having a hard time equating America's Republican Party. It sounds like they are like the Labour Party mixed with Conservatives.
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2005-05-04, 11:38 PM #20
Heh, try more UKIP mixed with BNP. We don't have anything nearly as right-wing as the Republican party.
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2005-05-05, 12:03 AM #21
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
Heh, try more UKIP mixed with BNP. We don't have anything nearly as right-wing as the Republican party.


Woah I never knew you were even British :eek:
2005-05-05, 12:31 AM #22
America's Republican Party: Lower taxes, capitalism/free markets. Doesn't like government involvement it economic affairs but will accept government involvement in social matters.The watered down version is that the party wants to cut taxes but it wants to ban gays marrying via a Constitutional amendment. You can thank the latter part to the Religious Right.

I can see some similarities as far as economic issues between US & UK parties. But social issues, yeah Republicans are governed largely by Christianity in that department...sometimes by fundamentalism.

For the record: I honestly try to stay arms length from Religious Right...they scare me sometimes.
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2005-05-05, 12:33 AM #23
I'm still undecided between Lib Dems and spoiling my ballot paper.
2005-05-05, 1:43 AM #24
Its good to see this thread has thrown up a good discussion. As everyone is saying who they are voting for, its my turn

Im voting for the Liberal Democrats (Lib Dems for most) as I am a member of the party and I joined the party by prue accident as I was angry at the time as the Labour Government decided to build more houses in my hometown of Ashford. What annoyed me was that everyone I knew was fed up with the policy of 'development' in my town.

However the Lib Dems that are in Ashford are small band, that were making little progress until I joined. Two months after I joined, there was an election of a candidate and it seems to have gone foward since then. I have been given the role of 'computer consultant' who is responsible for the electronic canvassing and recording statistics. Fun.

You may think Im mad, but hey its to do with politics and I actully find politics intresting as JK editing (yes I do that too).
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2005-05-05, 2:35 AM #25
Incidentily... JK editing isn't that interesting anymore.. everything has a been here done that sort of feel..

Kind of like politics!

Imagine that. :P
2005-05-05, 2:57 AM #26
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Originally posted by Darvious-IX
Im voting for the Liberal Democrats (Lib Dems for most) as I am a member of the party
Isn't that the wrong way around? You join a party because you support them, not support the party because you joined them
2005-05-05, 5:22 AM #27
Quote:
America's Republican Party: Lower taxes, capitalism/free markets. Doesn't like government involvement it economic affairs but will accept government involvement in social matters.The watered down version is that the party wants to cut taxes but it wants to ban gays marrying via a Constitutional amendment. You can thank the latter part to the Religious Right.


Britain covered the whole 'tax' issue in the 50s and 60s, and came to the conclusion that simply 'lowering taxes' isn't a good thing. Lower taxes and you get worse public services. Britons aren't going to fall for the whole "i will LOWER TAXES!!" thing. They're not stupid. Not that stupid.
The issue is over tax management, who should be taxed and how. That's how the parties differ, no-one is really going to "lower taxes".

Similarly, Britons don't really respond the "freedom" and "capitalism" rhetoric either, and the whole thing about a 'small government' is only an issue to northerners. "patriotism" rhetoric works if it's subtle, like with UKIP, but is never going to win an election, because it's only really old people that are suckered by it, or the extreme right-wing that get pulled in by the BNP on the whole "damn immigrants stealing our jobs!!" line. Unfortunately, that one still works.
Anything that is against homosexuality will be percieved very badly. This is one of a multitude of reasons why UKIP and Veritas aren't taken seriously. Homophobes tend to be mocked.
And yeah, appealing to the whole 'Christian' thing will only work if it's subtle.

This is why anything approaching America's Republican party isn't going to be popular in Britain.
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2005-05-05, 7:25 AM #28
That other thread.. It wasn't exactly the same, it had a poll.. Unless you can add a poll to this thread, then it probably shouldn't have been closed.
It's probably a bit late now though.
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2005-05-05, 7:56 AM #29
Britain has a different democratic system to American and we have parliamentary democracy where as American has the Roman style republic with Senators and President. Britain's government runs and governs Britian for the Queen. :)

Tell you what, British democracy is the best democracy you could have. More polictians, more debate. :p
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2005-05-05, 9:47 AM #30
If the thread author wishes, I can turn this into a poll.
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2005-05-05, 9:58 AM #31
I'd vote Lib Dem, because in my area Conservatives and Lib Dem are pretty close, with Labour WAAAY off in the distance.

However, I'm not old enough to vote, so I won't. Even though I probably know more about politics than some 90y/o who hasn't left the house for the last 15 years...
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2005-05-05, 10:08 AM #32
I generally vote for US republican party politicians, so I tend to lean pretty conservative. If i was a brit, I'm not sure which party I would vote for, but it would definitely not be the liberals.
2005-05-05, 10:28 AM #33
Labour always win locally in both votes, so i voted Conservative purely because Labour piss me off.
2005-05-05, 11:25 AM #34
Quote:
Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS
I generally vote for US republican party politicians, so I tend to lean pretty conservative. If i was a brit, I'm not sure which party I would vote for, but it would definitely not be the liberals.



The Liberal party doesn't exist anymore.
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2005-05-05, 11:34 AM #35
Yeah, i'm pretty sure New Labour and the Conservatives are almost identical.
2005-05-06, 12:21 AM #36
Well, not all the seats are in yet, but Labour are back in with a much reduced majority. Not as much reduced as I would have liked, but there you have it. I'm not too sure about Kennedy's claim that three party politics is now across the UK, since the Lib Dems still have half the seats of the Tories. I wonder how many of them they'll hang on to next time, seeing as it seems most of their gains were from disenchanted Labour voters?

[Edit: make that not even half the seats]
2005-05-06, 3:31 AM #37
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Stafford
Yeah, i'm pretty sure New Labour and the Conservatives are almost identical.


No, that isn't true. Britain certainly does have the most right-wing Labour party in the world, but that doesn't equate them with the Tories. There's more than two dimensions to politics. It's no longer a battle between 'right-wing' and 'left-wing', it all changed in 1999. Labour isn't socialist anymore, which is certainly what disheartens many of their previous voters. But there are still very important differences, the biggest of which probably being Labour's support for Europe.
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2005-05-06, 3:43 AM #38
and Labour supporters are far less scary than Conservative supporters.
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2005-05-06, 4:16 PM #39
What's the Queen for?
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2005-05-06, 4:29 PM #40
not a lot.
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