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It'll never pass, unless they attach it to a "Save the whales" bill.

Hey government, Shintock is French!

Sorry, Shintock. It's the law!

I'm all for anti-drug laws, but there's a point at which a law becomes borderline ridiculous. A two year term for seeing someone you know passing a joint and not reporting it? Judicial overkill.

Tricky... I guess it's not a violation of the fourth amendment if the government doesn't do it, eh?

Even then it'll never pass. And if it does, I think a revolt will be in order.

Pi ca, si je suis un Francais, osti, qu'est ce que ca fait à ton gouvernement?

Does that count as evading the swear filter?

I would start the revolt that is bound to happen sometime in the next few decades if this passed.

I would very much like to hear the OP's point of view on this other than "discuss."

Fair enough. Illegal or not, what other people do during their personal time, as long as it does no harm to others, is their own business. I don't think the government should be allowed to hold you responible for not reporting that you witnessed somebody enjoying a popular recreational activity.

Hey Shintock! YOU'RE FIRED!

Je peux laisser tomber le mot pour un petit prix.. Oh disons juste $20 (américain). Je crois que tu n'aimerais pas l'alternatif. *tape le tuyau sur le main*

$20? Even Thrawn's mom isn't that cheap. :p

haha...

that is messed up... I consider myself a Republican but this kind of national security issue should not make us all spies to rat out kids trying to smoke a bowl on there own time... i hate somethings in life, like moron out of touch politicians...

I'm a fairly conservative republican, and I don't support this.

I have no respect for snitches, and the war on drugs hasn't exactly been a resounding success so far either....

If I had to become a spy and give full cooperation every time I saw someone passing joints around, I would not have a job, or time for school, or anyhting.

Haha!

Anyway, I thought I should comment on the proposed legislation. I think that everyone should do this. If you commit a crime, you MUST be prosecuted. I have no problem whatsoever "snitching" someone out. I hate with a passion criminals getting away.

I don't have a problem with snitching. I have a problem with it being illegal to NOT snitch.

I have a problem in that I'D LIKE A LIFE. If this bill passed, my life would be in endless service to the government.

it opens up a pandora's box of heresay.... it'll never pass, even though there is a republican majority. they roll over to democratic pressure every time. the only way it'll pass is if the democrats catch wind of a poll showing that people are in favor of this idea.

Also, I doubt anyone would actually comply with this.... If they arrest you on suspicion for not doing it, how can they prove that you saw something related to drugs and didn't turn it in? Even if witnesses were brought in, they would have no way of testifying on what *you* actually saw, and the court can't force you to testify against yourself. (as it would be unconstitutional against the fifth ammendment) There would be no proof, and since your most likely defense would be to say that you didn't see anything, how the hell are they going to disprove that? It would simply be your word against theirs, and that's nowhere near enough for a good case.

All this is if it actually passes, which it probably won't.

House yes, with no problem. Senate might be a battle. The Democrats found their "AWP" of the Senate and that is the filibuster.

Thank god you people realize the difference between a bill and a law..

The other forums I surf where this got posted.. the people didn't know the difference.. and got all excited..

And then I brought down the mighty hammer of "STFU" and then general smiting.

No way do I support this law... and it's nice to see that now Democrats and Republicans can both be accused of wanting nanny-states!

I despise criminals getting away, too, Gandalf, and I would not hesitate to report a murder, mugging, or grand theft auto. I would not, however, go out of my way to report two 16 year olds talking about how they had a glass of wine the night before, at dinner, or anything of the sort.

Nothing's changed.

I'd support snitching incentives....

But not mandatory snitching...

Now if they paid you to do it instead of punishing you for not doing it I might consider it an ok bill.. but till then nah.

*edit* err Rob just said that.

Isn't that what Crimestoppers is for? Or is that just in Canada?

Doesn't say if they let you carry a gun during your undercover phase... Them jerks.

Silly Wisconsonite Congressmen, what will they think of next?
legal to shoot stray kittens.. mandatory spying...

REVOLUTION! WORLD DOMINATION!

I'm all for privacy and all that, but it's not like they have many options left. Drug use is illegal, and as such should be stopped. If this is the only thing they have left to do to stop it, then so be it.

And don't give me any of that "WAAH, IT'S MY OWN LIFE AND TIME AND DOES NOT HURT OTHER PPLZ!1 D00D!1" crap. Wether or not you're right is regardless; This isn't about morals or philosophy, it's about the law. Any drug use is against the law. You live in the country, you are required to follow its laws, wether you agree with them or not, wether they're right or not. That's the way authority works.

As for the "It doesn't hurt anyone else, so it must be alright" argument, I can't even begin on how ignorant that is. What many people fail to realize that even if you're not directly harming anyone but yourself, it can still cause emotional and psychological damage to others. Specifically loved ones; If, say, I were to go out and get messed up on every drug I could find, it would still hurt my family and friends emotionally. My dad was an alcoholic. It cost him two marriages, one engagement, and all four of his children. I know what it feels like to see someone close to you ruin their own life, and it hurts.

Not only that, but another thing no one seems to realize, you are not who you will be. I'm tired of people only looking at the past and the present, and ignoring the future. So you've done it before and it hasn't hurt you. You're doing it now, and you don't see it causing any harm. Or, if it is, you don't care, so you keep doing it.

Again, as someone who has experience in this area (as someone who's struggled with depression, and through it, suicide and other self-harming behavior for a very long time), let me tell you how stupid that way of thinking is. As I said, I have experience in this area; There have been many times in my life where I've been faced with a decision, such as, for example, suicide. (while that's a rather extreme example, i'll go with that for simplicity's sake). You know, the whole "my life sucks and is never going to get better, so i should just end it now" stereotype (like I said, I know that's a bit of an extreme example to use for this subject, but I'm using it because I think it's something most people have had experience with), which at the time, seemed like the absolute truth, but looking back on it I realize how stupid I was. I'm currently living at the happiest I've been in years, and while my life is far from perfect, I now know something that I didn't realize back then; that there's still hope for the future. People don't realize that even though something might not be harming you now, or if it is, it's "not that bad", there still might (and in most cases, will) be consequences in the future.

Now, I admit that there are people out there who are levelheaded and responsible enough to use drugs without letting them dictate their life or lifestyle, and in those cases, more power to them. But if someone's smart enough to do that, they should be smart enough to realize that they are still required to follow their country's laws. If you disagree with the law, move to a different country, or do something to change the law. But disagreeing with the law does not give you the right to break it.

So why is alcohol not against the law, and cannabis is?


The whole 'war on drugs' is a hilarious failure, fueled by 50 years of complete nonsense propaganda.

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Prohibition/Drug%20Information/Marijuana/History/reefer_madness.jpg

I can smoke a spliff in the middle of London and the only thing the police can do is take it off me, and they probably won't even bother doing that. It's a waste of their time. It's absurd that America isn't moving towards such a system.

Not to mention that the WI governor wants taxed downloads. 5 cents for any type of download.

I smoke joints daily. Hell, I'm smoking one right now, as I type, this moment. **** you government.

I will admit i didn't read all this, Cow, but i did get the gist, which i got as "Drugs are illegal for perfectly good reasons', feel free to correct me if that is wrong. Now, i agree wholeheartedly with that statement (except in the case of 21 drinking age, that jsut confuses me. i don't drink, but i don't see the purpose of waiting till your 21 when you can do 95% of otehr stuff at 18), but i wanted to point out that is not the point most people are debating. Wether Drugs should or should not be illegal is a moot point for anouther thread. What we're debating (mostly against) is the idea that you should be required to rat out someone else. And by the examples above, it seems to me that they could prosecute you for simply hearing someone wention something about drugs. doesn't even have to be about a deal or taking it, jsut the mention of the substance is cause enough. at least, that is my interpretation. and not only is that rediculous, but if you recal, it goes comepletely against the right of free speach. We have the right to refuse to rat out or testify against someone, and this law is taking that away, and allowing a judge to place a hell of a large verdict. 15 years is a hell of a large sentence for simply not talking. Bening held for contempt of court is nowhere near that.

America. Land of the free.