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Terry Shivao or whatever her name is, autopsy released.
2005-06-15, 3:40 PM #1
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44793
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-06-15, 3:43 PM #2
The topic subject makes it seem like you don't care about the story, and just wanted to be the one to post it first.
2005-06-15, 3:49 PM #3
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Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
The topic subject makes it seem like you don't care about the story, and just wanted to be the one to post it first.

Yea.. Post whore! :p


And I can say I honestly don't care about this Terry thing anymore. I never really did. Let her die was all I ever had to say.
2005-06-15, 3:50 PM #4
I was actually happy to see no topics on this issue posted. This leads to a debate I don't think anyone really wants to have again.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2005-06-15, 3:51 PM #5
Quote:
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
The topic subject makes it seem like you don't care about the story, and just wanted to be the one to post it first.


Hard to tell one way or the other with what he posted/didn't post.
Pissed Off?
2005-06-15, 3:54 PM #6
Well this proves that she was PVS and also that she was completely blind. Of course the parents say they "don't believe" the autopsy which just goes to show how stupid and irrational they were throughout the whole affair.
2005-06-15, 3:58 PM #7
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Originally posted by Avenger
Hard to tell one way or the other with what he posted/didn't post.


I was wrong. Let's never speak of this again.
"If you watch television news, you will know less about the world than if you just drink gin straight out of the bottle."
--Garrison Keillor
2005-06-15, 5:19 PM #8
This was one debate I didn't touch.
2005-06-15, 6:16 PM #9
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke
Of course the parents say they "don't believe" the autopsy which just goes to show how stupid and irrational they were throughout the whole affair.


And it's pretty insensitive and asinine to call grieving familly members stupid and irrational. I mean, God, how horrible that they wanted to care for their disabled child. Aside from the debate of whether Teri should have been killed through starvation, unless we have had to make the choice to kill a loved one, we are unqualified to make such accusations.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2005-06-15, 6:21 PM #10
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Originally posted by Squirrel King
Yea.. Post whore! :p


And I can say I honestly don't care about this Terry thing anymore. I never really did. Let her die was all I ever had to say.


Yup. Same.
2005-06-15, 6:33 PM #11
Quote:
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
The topic subject makes it seem like you don't care about the story, and just wanted to be the one to post it first.


Partially. I read the story, but was on my way to class and didn't have time to get all loving tender and post details. Besides I dunno if anyone else was going to post it.

So yeah, I guess you are right.
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-06-15, 6:45 PM #12
Quote:
Originally posted by Wookie06
I mean, God, how horrible that they wanted to care for their disabled child.


She wasn't a disabled child.

She was a dead adult.
2005-06-15, 6:47 PM #13
Rob, a child is anything a parent has. Regardless of her age, she was still there daughter, child, kid, etc.
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-06-15, 6:55 PM #14
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Originally posted by Rob
She wasn't a disabled child.

She was a dead adult.


I'm "speechless". I think this post says far more about you than any reply I could muster.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2005-06-15, 7:00 PM #15
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
This was one debate I didn't touch.


Same here, except for my two cents of "If somebody is dead, don't have their slobbering bleeding corpse sitting there."
"Jayne, this is something the Captain has to do for himself"

"N-No it's not!"

"Oh."
2005-06-15, 7:37 PM #16
Quote:
Originally posted by Wookie06
I'm "speechless". I think this post says far more about you than any reply I could muster.


He disagrees with your viewpoint. You disagree with his.

The only difference is at this point in time--it doesn't really matter does it now?
D E A T H
2005-06-15, 7:38 PM #17
Quote:
Originally posted by Wookie06
I'm "speechless". I think this post says far more about you than any reply I could muster.


He doesn't put a happy face on things? :p
2005-06-15, 7:53 PM #18
I don't see what the big deal with what I said was.


Why care for someone, who isn't coming back? Who isn't even really there? A beating heart isn't an indication of life.

You could do the same with alot of people that are resusitated, and then later let go.

Hell, you could do the same FOR ALOT of people that had to go to such drastic measures as having "DO NOT RESUSITATE" tattooed on their chest.


I don't think I should have to go through and retype all the points I've made about the lights not even being on.
2005-06-15, 7:56 PM #19
...


People still care about this?
2005-06-15, 8:29 PM #20
Quote:
And it's pretty insensitive and asinine to call grieving familly members stupid and irrational. I mean, God, how horrible that they wanted to care for their disabled child. Aside from the debate of whether Teri should have been killed through starvation, unless we have had to make the choice to kill a loved one, we are unqualified to make such accusations.


i really dont mean to sound insensitive, but this is going to anyways so oh well :o

i for one believe, weather your greaving or not, that it is pretty irrational to dissagree with a professional medical autopsy(sp?) unless of course there are special circumstances such as... oh i dont know, alien probes or horrible zombie viruses which defy science... also she did not starve to death, she "died" of dehydration. i think its pretty asinine to say she was only "disabled" she was basically an empty shell, i mean she was already beyond hope of recovery, as indicated in said autopsy, i dont think anyone killed her so much as finally let her pass on.

again i dont mean to sound insensitive, but really now...
Welcome to the douchebag club. We'd give you some cookies, but some douche ate all of them. -Rob
2005-06-15, 8:31 PM #21
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
He disagrees with your viewpoint. You disagree with his.

The only difference is at this point in time--it doesn't really matter does it now?


I think it does matter to demean a family that wanted to care for one of their own. Anyone who disagrees with that viewpoint shows an obvious lack of concern for the feelings of their fellow human beings. His post says alot about his lack of humanity. She was their child, she was disabled, was not "dead" although much of her brain was. I won't debate the issue of starving her but I will point out the inhumanity of insulting the people who loved her.

Some people just can't resist taking their cheap shots at the expense of others and in this case to trivialize something as important as the death of a loved one. I swear, the joy this woman's death seemed to bring to so many people is disheartening.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2005-06-15, 8:37 PM #22
Quote:
Originally posted by Wookie06
I swear, the joy this woman's death seemed to bring to so many people is disheartening.
Because finally letting an empty person with no hope finally die and pass over is a bad thing, whereas not being able to face the reality of death and clinging to a corpse with a beating heart is a good thing.
Democracy: rule by the stupid
2005-06-15, 8:38 PM #23
Quote:
Originally posted by Wookie06
I think it does matter to demean a family that wanted to care for one of their own. Anyone who disagrees with that viewpoint shows an obvious lack of concern for the feelings of their fellow human beings. His post says alot about his lack of humanity. She was their child, she was disabled, was not "dead" although much of her brain was. I won't debate the issue of starving her but I will point out the inhumanity of insulting the people who loved her.

Some people just can't resist taking their cheap shots at the expense of others and in this case to trivialize something as important as the death of a loved one. I swear, the joy this woman's death seemed to bring to so many people is disheartening.


As I recall, in this country, after turning 18 you no longer "belong" to anyone.

Anyone that argues Terri Schiavo had cognitive mental facilities needs to go spend time with some plants.

Plants can do more than Terri Schiavo could.


And yes, I was happy they FINALLY let her go. Thats the kind of hell no one needs to go through, even if they didn't possess the mental facilities to know they were going through it.
2005-06-15, 8:47 PM #24
I remember my mom saying something like "Why doesn't he divorce her?" I insulted her by saying "Because unlike some people I know, they don't get a divorce after being married for 20+ years. The words IN SICKNESS AND IN HEALTH might mean something to some people."
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-06-15, 10:56 PM #25
Quote:
Originally posted by Wookie06
I think it does matter to demean a family that wanted to care for one of their own. Anyone who disagrees with that viewpoint shows an obvious lack of concern for the feelings of their fellow human beings. His post says alot about his lack of humanity. She was their child, she was disabled, was not "dead" although much of her brain was. I won't debate the issue of starving her but I will point out the inhumanity of insulting the people who loved her.

Some people just can't resist taking their cheap shots at the expense of others and in this case to trivialize something as important as the death of a loved one. I swear, the joy this woman's death seemed to bring to so many people is disheartening.


Oh please. How were they caring for her? By keeping her brain dead, completely blind, unconcious body alive for 15 years? Yeah that really does her a huge favor. Face it, her parents are selfish and ignorant *******s. They wanted Terri to stay alive because they couldnt cope with her physically dying. If you seriously think keeping a COMPLETLTY BRAIN DEAD (and yes, now that is a medical fact, so don't try and argue it) alive is "caring for them" then you are seriously fked. I really don't think you understand the level of her brain damage. She was completely blind, completely unaware of anything going on around her. She was basically dead.
2005-06-15, 11:48 PM #26
"Well, our daughter is brain dead, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is in a coma, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is severely brain damaged, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is paralysed, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter has a broken leg, time to put her out of her misery."

You get the idea. I guarantee you, now that this precedent has been set, the next big issues will be assisted suicide, and euthanasia. Slowly but surely, the killing of the severely disabled will become more and more socially accepted. That's how societal change happens -- not all at once, but in tiny little steps.
So sayest the Writer of Silly Things!
2005-06-16, 12:05 AM #27
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Originally posted by Krig_the_Viking
"Well, our daughter is brain dead, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is in a coma, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is severely brain damaged, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is paralysed, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter has a broken leg, time to put her out of her misery."

You get the idea. I guarantee you, now that this precedent has been set, the next big issues will be assisted suicide, and euthanasia. Slowly but surely, the killing of the severely disabled will become more and more socially accepted. That's how societal change happens -- not all at once, but in tiny little steps.


We can only hope. I personally am in favor of euthanasia and assisted suicide. We need to get over this intense fear of death. Somehow society thinsk that death is the worst thing ever to be avoided at all costs. It's eventually going to come for every person, so why take such enormous lengths to stave it off for a few years of pain and suffering and a basically ****ty life?
2005-06-16, 12:09 AM #28
Darth Vader got assisted suicide... in a sense. Ehem.

Now this Schiavo thing was messed up. Everyone became hypocritical over some lass who was pretty much like all those "ooh, I'm fat, gotta lose weight lololz" people.. Geez.
Star Wars: TODOA | DXN - Deus Ex: Nihilum
2005-06-16, 12:23 AM #29
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Originally posted by FastGamerr
Darth Vader got assisted suicide... in a sense. Ehem.

Now this Schiavo thing was messed up. Everyone became hypocritical over some lass who was pretty much like all those "ooh, I'm fat, gotta lose weight lololz" people.. Geez.


"The autopsy report found no evidence that Terri had an eating disorder."
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-06-16, 12:34 AM #30
Would a 15-year old eating disorder show?
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2005-06-16, 12:37 AM #31
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Originally posted by FastGamerr
Would a 15-year old eating disorder show?


I agree i dont think there is a way that they could tell if a woman had an eating disorder 15 years ago. I think this is a case of bad reporting.
2005-06-16, 6:01 AM #32
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Originally posted by Kieran Horn
Because finally letting an empty person with no hope finally die and pass over is a bad thing, whereas not being able to face the reality of death and clinging to a corpse with a beating heart is a good thing.


Death isn't suppose to be a happy thing.
2005-06-16, 7:35 AM #33
Quote:
Originally posted by IRG SithLord
Death isn't suppose to be a happy thing.
Only to those afraid of it.
Democracy: rule by the stupid
2005-06-16, 7:49 AM #34
^
Agrees with this guy
2005-06-16, 8:01 AM #35
Quote:
Originally posted by THRAWN
I remember my mom saying something like "Why doesn't he divorce her?"


good jab but the real answer is if he divorced her, he wouldnt get all her money when she died. apparantly there was some mad chas involved.
My girlfriend paid a lot of money for that tv; I want to watch ALL OF IT. - JM
2005-06-16, 9:51 AM #36
So if someone dies, we're supposed to be happy?
If one of my parents were to die, I know I'd be far from happy... I guess I'm a messed up citizen then

Oh, I'm messed up -- time to put me out of my misery

*dies from dehydration*
May the mass times acceleration be with you.
2005-06-16, 9:56 AM #37
Quote:
Originally posted by Darth Slaw
So if someone dies, we're supposed to be happy?
If one of my parents were to die, I know I'd be far from happy... I guess I'm a messed up citizen then


If they died when they were perfectly healthy, it's obvious you would be upset...
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2005-06-16, 9:58 AM #38
Quote:
Originally posted by Krig_the_Viking
"Well, our daughter is brain dead, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is in a coma, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is severely brain damaged, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter is paralysed, time to put her out of her misery."

"Well, our daughter has a broken leg, time to put her out of her misery."

You get the idea. I guarantee you, now that this precedent has been set, the next big issues will be assisted suicide, and euthanasia. Slowly but surely, the killing of the severely disabled will become more and more socially accepted. That's how societal change happens -- not all at once, but in tiny little steps.



No.
2005-06-16, 10:04 AM #39
I fail to see how a person would end the life of a person with a broken leg. Or paralysed. Or brain damaged. Terri was such an issue because she was in PVS and couldn't cognitively interact with the world at all. Even when a person is in a coma, there is the chance for them coming back in the world.
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2005-06-16, 10:06 AM #40
Quote:
Originally posted by Rob
No.


I agree with Rob a little. Mainly from the point that for one, no one knows the future or can predict the outcome of certain events. Therefore I am not sure if killing the severely disabled will be more socially accepted, because there are a lot of people against it.

And two, social views can change dramatically in one day if needed. Hint: 9/11 in America.
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