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New Compy!
2005-06-22, 8:13 PM #1
Finally gave in and bought some new components for good old compy. Was running a Celeron 1.0GHz, 256MB RAM, picked up a Athlon64 3000+ and 512MB DDR at CompUSA today.

All I can say is WOW.

Anyway, now that I have this great thing known as 64-bit, what cool stuff can I load that I couldn't before? Keep in mind I still have a GeForce FX 5200, I'll have to wait until next paycheck to replace that...
gbk is 50 probably

MB IS FAT
2005-06-22, 8:17 PM #2
Doom 3, HF2. they go heavy on your processor rather than your graphics card, i think.
幻術
2005-06-22, 8:20 PM #3
Well, unless you're using a 64-bit OS, it won't make it any faster (and in effect, you're wasting half your processor).

Unfortunately for me, XP-64 won't detect my hard drive... plus the driver support is supposed to be horrible.
Stuff
2005-06-22, 8:24 PM #4
I tried getting XP64, twice now actually. I used 2 different email addresses, both times I filled everything out and they never sent me an email... :(
gbk is 50 probably

MB IS FAT
2005-06-22, 10:49 PM #5
Quote:
Originally posted by kyle90
Well, unless you're using a 64-bit OS, it won't make it any faster (and in effect, you're wasting half your processor).

Unfortunately for me, XP-64 won't detect my hard drive... plus the driver support is supposed to be horrible.


It won't even make a difference running a 64-bit OS. XP64 takes a performance HIT.

Uh...I dunno why you bought your components at CompUSA (considering they're the most expensive carrier out there, even moreso than Best Buy), and not newegg, especially since EVERYONE touts newegg as the best thing since sliced bread, but all I have to say is if you buy your videocard at a brick and mortar store, I'm going to have to laugh. Seriously, buy it online. And you're just in time for the good stuff too.
D E A T H
2005-06-22, 11:14 PM #6
Congrats. :)
2005-06-22, 11:52 PM #7
You got the exact same comp as me pretty much, albiet two minor things..


I got AMD Athlon 64 3200+
1 GIG RAM
160 GB HD

Exact same graphics card

I love it. its a crazy *** computer. Bad-***.
2005-06-23, 1:29 AM #8
You guys don't even know the half of it. That card is horrible.
D E A T H
2005-06-23, 2:40 AM #9
Graphics card may be horrible, but my computer runs all games nowadays with full graphics settings on and i get great framerates.
2005-06-23, 3:25 AM #10
I'd love to see that. Because there's no way in hell a 5200 will run all games nowadays great (maybe hl2 because it defaults to DX8.0, even then...) with settings on high. My friend had an A64 3200+ with 1gb PC3200 memory and a 5200 and could barely run KotOR at playable framerates.
D E A T H
2005-06-23, 4:18 AM #11
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
...My friend had an A64 3200+ with 1gb PC3200 memory and a 5200 and could barely run KotOR at playable framerates.

That sounds like a configuration problem to me. He probably has something running in the background thats killing his performace.
And when the moment is right, I'm gonna fly a kite.
2005-06-23, 4:37 AM #12
Quote:
Originally posted by gbk
That sounds like a configuration problem to me. He probably has something running in the background thats killing his performace.


Nope. It was the 5200. It's a HORRIBLE card. He got playable framerates with UT2k4, but Doom 3 (of course) was unplayable and neither was KotOR. I'm not surprised--KotOR fairly wailed on my Ti4400, and it's quite a bit better than a 5200.
D E A T H
2005-06-23, 4:46 AM #13
Never had problems with KOTOR on my 2000+ XP with 512MB RAM and GF4200Ti.
It even ran good on Linux.
Sorry for the lousy German
2005-06-23, 5:28 AM #14
Mine ran at about 45 fps...which I guess I consider spanked now XD. But it didn't run too bad...then I turned on AA...20fps! Woohoo!
D E A T H
2005-06-23, 5:28 AM #15
Dorito > 5200
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2005-06-23, 5:59 AM #16
In KotOR I get... playable framerates with my 5200. Playable. :(

Quote:
Originally posted by NoESC
Anyway, now that I have this great thing known as 64-bit, what cool stuff can I load that I couldn't before?


I refer you to http://www.bash.org/?162191 (language).

You need a 64-bit OS to run 64-bit apps, of which there are currently very few (there is a 64-bit version of Internet Explorer :p but the 32-bit version in the same XP64 install works better I hear).

2005-06-23, 6:14 AM #17
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
You guys don't even know the half of it. That card is horrible.


He's right, the card is crap, I got it on eBay for $30 when my GeForce2 MX crapped out.

I'd like to stay with nVidia cards, but maybe not a $600 one... :p

I was looking at the 6600GT, would that be good?
gbk is 50 probably

MB IS FAT
2005-06-23, 6:50 AM #18
The 6600GT is a GREAT card, but wait, I implore you. The 7800GTX just came out, and prices are falling. You're seeing refurbed 6800GT's for 210. It's only a matter of time before they're dirt cheap, and you'll reap the rewards.
D E A T H
2005-06-23, 7:46 AM #19
For those who claim to get playable framerates, its more then likely because you're so used to low framerates. I used to be the same way. I remember playing Morrowind on my old comp and thought it ran OK enough to play. I tried it on my old comp a few days ago and wow, I couldn't believe how choppy and unplayable it was. Same thing with AA and AF, I used to tout how I would never need to use them, but now that I CAN, I can't live without them! I need to play my games with AT LEAST 2x Temporal AA to not go insane with jaggies.

I've typed this with my comp connected to my living room TV, so there may be some spelling errors, since text doesn't work scale too good from so far away. :)
Got a permanent feather in my cap;
Got a stretch to my stride;
a stroll to my step;
2005-06-23, 8:01 AM #20
I sure do love computer component elitists

"dude that card sucks"
"uh well it runs all my games fine. really well, actually"
"NO IT DOESN'T YOUR GRAPHICS CARD SUCKS URGHGH FOR SOME REASON I CARE"
2005-06-23, 8:17 AM #21
Didn't see a refurbished 6800GT for 210 anywhere. There was a standard 6800, but I'd rather get something with a good warrenty. That's one of the reasons I bought the mobo/cpu/ram at CompUSA. I probably paid a bit more, but I can take any of the components back for any reason in the next year and walk out the door with new ones. I didn't want to have to ship stuff off to wherever if something went wrong.

I can get the 6600GT on Newegg for $150. From the reviews I read it sounds like just what I need. After that I'm getting another stick of 512 DDR, then 2 SATA HDDS to run RAID.

:D
gbk is 50 probably

MB IS FAT
2005-06-23, 10:06 AM #22
Yoshi, I get great fps in both KOTOR and KOTOR 2. Doom 3 runs smooth as well, hl2 great.
2005-06-23, 11:42 AM #23
Quote:
Originally posted by Warlord
I sure do love computer component elitists

"dude that card sucks"
"uh well it runs all my games fine. really well, actually"
"NO IT DOESN'T YOUR GRAPHICS CARD SUCKS URGHGH FOR SOME REASON I CARE"


No, the card literally can't play games over a certain fps, and that's not a good fps. I'm talking 15-20. That's choppy as hell.

Temp--post your screenshots, settings, and framerate (fraps gives you framerate in every game). If this is true, your card is a rebranded FX5700+ (the only decent cards in the FX series) which would be a phenomenon, especially so since you haven't noticed.

NoESC--just wait say a couple weeks, and you'll start to see prices plummet. :)

The only way it could seem like great FPS to you is if you play way too many consoles and can handle FPS in the sub-30's. That's slow, and choppy, especially after you see straight 60 smoothness.
D E A T H
2005-06-23, 1:02 PM #24
Quote:
Originally posted by Temperamental
Yoshi, I get great fps in both KOTOR and KOTOR 2. Doom 3 runs smooth as well, hl2 great.


I'd like to see the specs on that. Especially on HL2.

See, the 5x00 series of Nvidia graphics cards had to be lowered to the DirectX 8 settings in HL2 by default because the framerate was SO deplorable.

Here's what an average benchmark of HL2 was like for the 5x00 series (In DX9 for both):

Nvidia 5200 Ultra: 9fps in HL2

Radeon 9800 Pro: 61fps. Yeah. 61fps.

I'm sorry, but that's just not even acceptable.

That's like buying a car that only goes 25mph for $15,000, then your friend paying $17,000 and getting a car that can go over 120mph.

And this is not an isolated benchmark, these were results from multiple reputable sites, including Valve itself.

In addition, by forcing the nvidia 5200 to run in DX8 mode (Along with all other 5x00 series cards), they managed to pull 21fps. BARELY playable framerate.
2005-06-23, 3:17 PM #25
I use a Geforce FX 5200 in my computer.

I will post my screenshots as soon as I get home.. How do I get to see my FPS in the following games:


Doom 3
World of Warcraft
KOTOR 2


HL2 and Counter Strike I get 40-100. depends on whats goin on, but more often than not it's higher than 50 at least.


You know, even though my graphics card is "Crap" as you put it... my processor and RAM could be the reasoN I get such good FPS in games. They are carrying the extra resources to get that FPS (and yes, processors and RAM CAN do that).
2005-06-23, 4:48 PM #26
Temp, if you had a 500ghz computer, and 4586787690 terabytes of RAM, and a 5200, my system with a 9800 Pro will always be faster no matter what.

Trust me, your CPU and RAM are being bottlenecked by your videocard. They are just waiting for its slow-*** to render each frame.

Benchmark Doom3 with these settings:

High Detail @1024x768
Medium Detail @ ^^
Low Detail @ ^^

Bring down the console by pressing CTRL+ALT+~ and type: timedemo demo1

run it twice, the second run will be the score which best represents your FPS.

For comparison, my 9800 Pro gets around 45fps with High Detail @ 1024x768, this is including 2x Temporal AA (mmm free AA)

What detail settings in HL2/CSS? If they are set to max you are a huge liar. :)
Got a permanent feather in my cap;
Got a stretch to my stride;
a stroll to my step;
2005-06-23, 4:51 PM #27
omg raar

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2005-06-23, 5:28 PM #28
A 5200 is pretty crappy, as others stated. It should've been labeled as an MX card, because that's how its performance was compared to the others in its generation. It was a budget card, pure and simple. That is hugely evident by it being stomped by a TI 4200 (and also why it was cheaper than TI 4200's when it came out).

I don't care what your processor and memory is, you're going to be running that at 1024x768 maximum to still keep playable framerates in something modern. And what someone else stated earlier about your mind tricking you about what a smooth framerate is when you're used to low framerates is very true.
2005-06-23, 6:12 PM #29
Quote:
Originally posted by Temperamental
I use a Geforce FX 5200 in my computer.

I will post my screenshots as soon as I get home.. How do I get to see my FPS in the following games:


Doom 3
World of Warcraft
KOTOR 2


HL2 and Counter Strike I get 40-100. depends on whats goin on, but more often than not it's higher than 50 at least.


You know, even though my graphics card is "Crap" as you put it... my processor and RAM could be the reasoN I get such good FPS in games. They are carrying the extra resources to get that FPS (and yes, processors and RAM CAN do that).


Download Fraps and run it while you play the games, screenshot, then post it. Of course, you'll probably doctor the images anyways, but humor us.

There's NO way a good processor and RAM can carry you that far. Sorry buddy. And I severely doubt you get 40-100 fps in CS:S (probably in CS 1.6) unless you're at 400x300 everything lowest dx 7.
D E A T H
2005-06-23, 8:50 PM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by Temperamental
Graphics card may be horrible, but my computer runs all games nowadays with full graphics settings on and i get great framerates.


No it doesn't.
2005-06-23, 11:30 PM #31
Quote:
Download Fraps and run it while you play the games, screenshot, then post it. Of course, you'll probably doctor the images anyways, but humor us.


Are you really that arrogant? You're making assumptions about me now. I could make a few about you but I wont, humor you.

I dont even know how to doctor an image, and I don't have anything I feel the need to prove to you about my FPS.. It's not that much of an important thing to be to make you see my FPS is good. You arent that important to me.

Quote:
There's NO way a good processor and RAM can carry you that far. Sorry buddy. And I severely doubt you get 40-100 fps in CS:S (probably in CS 1.6) unless you're at 400x300 everything lowest dx 7.


Actually, I DO get that FPS. 40-100 are the only FPS's i get. If grenades go off, for a split second it jumps down to 20 or so, but shoots right back up after. And this is even on maps like De_Inferno.
2005-06-23, 11:38 PM #32
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
My friend had an A64 3200+ with 1gb PC3200 memory and a 5200 and could barely run KotOR at playable framerates.


I had a 1.3 ghz AMD K6 with GF2MX, and after turning to settings somewhat between low and medium, it worked properly. From most of the time the framerates were better than "playable".
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2005-06-23, 11:43 PM #33
Quote:
My friend had an A64 3200+ with 1gb PC3200 memory and a 5200 and could barely run KotOR at playable framerates.

And I played kotor on an Athlon 1000 with Radeon 7200 and 512 MB DDR266! Everything was on lowest setting, still it was playable. And since I have a GeforceFX5900 it runs smoothly with wine on my ubuntu pc :)
My levels
2005-06-24, 12:00 AM #34
Temp--instead of saying "LOL OKAY FINE I'M NOT GOING TO HUMOR YOU" why don't you prove to us that you get such great framerates? Start up fraps, then start up game, play, (don't stare at walls) screenshot. It's really not that hard of a concept. Don't forget to post your settings.

It's really not that hard.
D E A T H
2005-06-24, 12:28 AM #35
I will, I said I would post them as soon as I got home.. I am not at home now, I am at a friends house, going home tomorrow, I will go on CS and play and post my screenshots tomorrow night, or saturday. one of those days.
2005-06-24, 12:52 AM #36
Quote:
Originally posted by Temperamental
I will, I said I would post them as soon as I got home.. I am not at home now, I am at a friends house, going home tomorrow, I will go on CS and play and post my screenshots tomorrow night, or saturday. one of those days.


Don't forget Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 SP, along with FarCry and any other games you get 'great' framerate in.
D E A T H
2005-06-24, 12:58 AM #37
LOL You really get upset that I claim my computer has good FPS in games dont you? Thats hilarious.

KOTOR 2, Doom 3, HL2 and CS are the ones ill get.
2005-06-24, 1:01 AM #38
If I were upset I'd be researching articles on why a 5200 cannot obtain these FPS' you say you do (although all you've specified is a bull**** 40-100 FPS in CS:S so far). I'm just a bit offended that you actually think that card is worth a damn. I mean, there's a reason it's being sold for ~20 bucks on ebay.
D E A T H
2005-06-24, 1:58 AM #39
Quote:
I'm just a bit offended that you actually think that card is worth a damn.


And that, is the reason why I am now laughing at you.
2005-06-24, 2:03 AM #40
Quote:
Originally posted by Temperamental
And that, is the reason why I am now laughing at you.


Dunno why. It's like me saying "LOL AMERICAN CARS TAKE UP SO MUCH LESS GAS THAN JAPANESE CARS". It's blatantly erronneous, and would offend most people who know a damn thing about cars. Not much, but it would. Same applies here.
D E A T H
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