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AMD sues Intel
2005-06-29, 5:00 AM #1
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According to the complaint, Intel has unlawfully maintained its monopoly by, among other things:

* Forcing major customers such as Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway, and Hitachi into Intel-exclusive deals in return for outright cash payments, discriminatory pricing or marketing subsidies conditioned on the exclusion of AMD;
o According to industry reports, and as confirmed by the JFTC in Japan, Intel has paid Dell and Toshiba huge sums not to do business with AMD.
o Intel paid Sony millions for exclusivity. AMD’s share of Sony’s business went from 23 percent in ‘02 to 8% in ‘03, to 0%, where it remains today.

* Forcing other major customers such as NEC, Acer, and Fujitsu into partial exclusivity agreements by conditioning rebates, allowances and market development funds (MDF) on customers’ agreement to severely limit or forego entirely purchases from AMD;
o Intel paid NEC several million dollars for caps on NEC’s purchases from AMD. Those caps assured Intel at least 90% of NEC’s business in Japan and imposed a worldwide cap on the amount of AMD business NEC could do.

* Establishing a system of discriminatory and retroactive incentives triggered by purchases at such high levels as to have the intended effect of denying customers the freedom to purchase any significant volume of processors from AMD;
o When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP’s fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP’s failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP’s mainstream retail business.

* Threatening retaliation against customers for introducing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments such as commercial desktop;
o Then-Compaq CEO Michael Capellas said in 2000 that because of the volume of business given to AMD, Intel withheld delivery of critical server chips. Saying “he had a gun to his head,” he told AMD he had to stop buying.
o According to Gateway executives, their company has paid a high price for even its limited AMD dealings. They claim that Intel has “beaten them into ‘guacamole’” in retaliation.

* Establishing and enforcing quotas among key retailers such as Best Buy and Circuit City, effectively requiring them to stock overwhelmingly or exclusively, Intel computers, artificially limiting consumer choice;
o AMD has been entirely shut out from Media Markt, Europe’s largest computer retailer, which accounts for 35 percent of Germany’s retail sales.
o Office Depot declined to stock AMD-powered notebooks regardless of the amount of financial support AMD offered, citing the risk of retaliation.

* Forcing PC makers and tech partners to boycott AMD product launches or promotions;
o Then-Intel CEO Craig Barrett threatened Acer’s Chairman with “severe consequences” for supporting the AMD Athlon 64™ launch. This coincided with an unexplained delay by Intel in providing $15-20M in market development funds owed to Acer. Acer withdrew from the launch in September 2003.

* Abusing its market power by forcing on the industry technical standards and products that have as their main purpose the handicapping of AMD in the marketplace.
o Intel denied AMD access to the highest level of membership for the Advanced DRAM technology consortium to limit AMD’s participation in critical industry standard decisions that would affect its business.
o Intel designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program’s performance if operated on a computer powered by an AMD microprocessor.


Can't say you didn't see this coming.
2005-06-29, 5:40 AM #2
Can't say I blame them. Hopefully this introduces more AMD to the markets and drives the price down a little bit more (though it really can't get much cheaper) :D
D E A T H
2005-06-29, 5:50 AM #3
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Can't say I blame them. Hopefully this introduces more AMD to the markets and drives the price down a little bit more (though it really can't get much cheaper) :D


$800 for an FX chip? The hell they can't! :p

I hope AMD wins, this'll be great for the PC industry. Competition = lower prices and faster development.
2005-06-29, 6:29 AM #4
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Originally posted by Cool Matty
I hope AMD wins, this'll be great for the PC industry. Competition = lower prices and faster development.
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Rbots
2005-06-29, 7:22 AM #5
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Originally posted by Cool Matty
$800 for an FX chip? The hell they can't! :p

I hope AMD wins, this'll be great for the PC industry. Competition = lower prices and faster development.


Of course, use the most expensive consumer-oriented chip on the market to prove your point. Meanwhile you can construct an AMD64 box for less than 450 dollars. That's what I call impressive.

But yeah, that's what I meant about competition. Not only that...but they have a solid case.
D E A T H
2005-06-29, 8:17 AM #6
If that's true, Intel seems to be quite afraid of something. What do they fear so much? I always thought Intel did succesful business in general. Such cowards...
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2005-06-29, 8:28 AM #7
Probably because AMD markets faster, less expensive, easier to produce chips and that they generally are much better for your average consumer. Intel used to be top dog but...well...not anymore.
D E A T H
2005-06-29, 8:39 AM #8
AMD rock, never been disapointed in my processor. Intel has let me down sometimes... never quite seems as good.
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2005-06-29, 9:06 AM #9
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Of course, use the most expensive consumer-oriented chip on the market to prove your point. Meanwhile you can construct an AMD64 box for less than 450 dollars. That's what I call impressive.

But yeah, that's what I meant about competition. Not only that...but they have a solid case.


Actually, the X2 chips are the most expensive consumer-oriented chips on the market. At $1000, I won't be getting them anytime soon :p
2005-06-29, 9:33 AM #10
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Originally posted by Cool Matty
Actually, the X2 chips are the most expensive consumer-oriented chips on the market. At $1000, I won't be getting them anytime soon :p


Oh yeah, because 800-1000 is such a big jump.
D E A T H
2005-06-29, 3:12 PM #11
i got a intel right now, but when i get enough $$$ im going to amd since im a gamer and its cheaper (well most of the chips are) inless u want a powerhorse of comp
Matt
2005-06-29, 3:46 PM #12
You would have thought Intel would have picked up on a few of the consequences of strongarm and trust tactics when they were in bed with Microsoft.
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2005-06-29, 5:19 PM #13
Go AMD. Competiton = good.
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2005-06-29, 10:15 PM #14
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Originally posted by ttammatt
i got a intel right now, but when i get enough $$$ im going to amd since im a gamer and its cheaper (well most of the chips are) inless u want a powerhorse of comp


Actually, you should go AMD if you want a powerhouse of a comp. Intel if you want to do encoding and other such rubbish.
D E A T H
2005-06-30, 3:36 AM #15
amd pwn intel. lets see, theres the fact that amd provide faster, cooler and overall more reliable processors at a cheaper price, they have had 64 bit since the dawn of 2004 and intel have only just started using 64 bit and price it a t a whopping £500 (i think) but the only slight drawback is intel have SLI and faster ram.

ok ill say it again, amd PWN intel.
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2005-06-30, 3:51 AM #16
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Originally posted by dmgak
amd pwn intel. lets see, theres the fact that amd provide faster, cooler and overall more reliable processors at a cheaper price, they have had 64 bit since the dawn of 2004 and intel have only just started using 64 bit and price it a t a whopping £500 (i think) but the only slight drawback is intel have SLI and faster ram.

ok ill say it again, amd PWN intel.


AMD has SLI too. But you're forgetting that they don't pwn Intel. Two or three years of being on top is not being better than--it's something a lot of people consider luck. Not to mention, AMD processors are no more reliable than Intel processors and vice versa.
D E A T H
2005-06-30, 11:45 AM #17
Reliable? With the reliability of today's chips that isn't even an issue.
2005-06-30, 11:55 AM #18
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Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
Reliable? With the reliability of today's chips that isn't even an issue.


Yeah. Some do fail, though. I'm just saying Intel is as reliable as AMD and vice versa. Hell, Intel may even be more reliable. I just haven't heard much about chip failure from either side of the fence.
D E A T H
2005-06-30, 1:30 PM #19
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Originally posted by dmgak
amd pwn intel. lets see, theres the fact that amd provide faster, cooler and overall more reliable processors at a cheaper price, they have had 64 bit since the dawn of 2004 and intel have only just started using 64 bit and price it a t a whopping £500 (i think) but the only slight drawback is intel have SLI and faster ram.

ok ill say it again, amd PWN intel.


What the hell are you talking about? AMD has had SLI for a LONG time now, and nVidia just recently put out the Intel SLI motherboard chipset. Not mention, Intel may have DDR2, but at the current FSB speeds it's no faster than DDR, and in some cases, slower, because DDR2 has slower CAS timings by default. AMD's memory controller is built into the processor, and the fact that you can use 2-2-2-5-1T DDR memory in dual channel means that you'll get much higher bandwidth than on Intel.
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2005-06-30, 2:44 PM #20
If you have an Intel CPU in your computer at this time, please remove it from your computer and burn it in a ritualistic ceremony. Thank you for your cooperation.



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