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Innocent until proven guity doesn't apply to porn now?
2005-07-03, 12:40 PM #1
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US rules all porn is child porn
By Lucy Sherriff
Published Friday 24th June 2005 12:47 GMT

All pornography in the US is now effectively classified as child pornography, unless providers can prove the ages of everyone taking part.

The law, which requires porn producers to hold copies of all actors' photo ID for seven years, has been in place for some time, but as of 23 June, the rule was extended to cover online pornography as well. This includes online forums, adult personals sites and any other place where adult material may be published.

In response, a number of sites have voluntarily taken themselves offline, to avoid breaking the newly applied rules. According to BoingBoing, Rotten.com has taken down [censored link] and [censored link], which contained the occasional explicit image, although it is/was not a porn site, as such.

In a statement on the site, gapingmaw.com's administrators call the law a "side-handed attack on the pornography industry", and says that it would be impossible for it to meet the requirements of the regulations.

While the law is designed to protect minors, and prevent exploitation, some free speech campaigners argue that the law gives authorities an awful lot of power to close down site they don't approve of, even if that was not its original goal. They point out that the Patriot Act was used to prosecute people for offenses that were not terrorist offenses shortly after it became law.

The Free Speech Coalition is already preparing a legal challenge to the law, and says it has already won some concessions from the government.

Meanwhile, others still warn that the law could even leave some performers, such as women operating webcam shows from their homes, open to stalking and harassment, because the law requires that they publish their physical addresses online. See more on that here.

You can plough through the text of the legislation here. ®


so, now all porn is illegal unless an ID is given, this should cut down on those kiddy porn sites a bit
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2005-07-03, 12:49 PM #2
What kiddy porn sites? I really don't think there are many kiddy porn websites. Most kiddy porn is traded thru chatrooms and whatnot with other pedophiles. An actual kiddy porn website would get shut down pretty damn fast.
2005-07-03, 1:28 PM #3
Some other countries don't have laws against revealing underage images. The U.S. has no control over images on servers outside the country, and realistically can do nothing to stop people from viewing those images.
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2005-07-03, 2:13 PM #4
It's not a case of the "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

It's just like providing an ID to prove you're 21 for alcohol.
2005-07-03, 2:42 PM #5
Who cares, no one looks at porn anyways.
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2005-07-03, 2:42 PM #6
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Originally posted by LonelyDagger
Who cares, no one looks at porn anyways.


>.>

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2005-07-03, 2:43 PM #7
It's an attempt at censorship and restriction of freedom of speech. From what I've read, the regulations are ridicilous and almost impossible to meet.


Here is an article that goes into more depth about the details and requirements. WARNING: The website contains some strong language and uses a picture of stickfigures engaged in intercourse to illustrate a point about the law.
2005-07-03, 2:45 PM #8
If we were all nudeist, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
2005-07-03, 2:56 PM #9
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Originally posted by Freelancer
Some other countries don't have laws against revealing underage images. The U.S. has no control over images on servers outside the country, and realistically can do nothing to stop people from viewing those images.


exactly, australia even has notification on government websites saying that they cant do anything about websites that are hosted outside te country. althogh, if you are caught with it on you computer (the kiddie stuff), you get in very deep trouble.
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2005-07-03, 4:45 PM #10
So old lady porn is now considered kiddy porn. Makes sense. O_o

I've always wondered - what happens if your a minor distribute pornography of yourself? Can you get arrested? Or what? If I had to guess based on America's sensible (HA!) legal system, the people your gave it to would get arrested. Or the parents. Or both. Or something stupid like that, I'm quite sure.
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2005-07-03, 5:18 PM #11
A minor can't be jailed for sending around nudie pics of themselves.

However, the people they send nudie pics to can be jailed for upto (I believe) 6 years.
2005-07-03, 5:24 PM #12
basically, it's no death of porn. just death of US porn. European servers are a go.
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2005-07-03, 6:25 PM #13
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Originally posted by Rob
A minor can't be jailed for sending around nudie pics of themselves.


Wouldnt that be indecent exposure, or something like that..?
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2005-07-03, 6:42 PM #14
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Originally posted by Koobie
basically, it's no death of porn. just death of US porn. European servers are a go.


Not really. Why is it so hard for people to think that US porn sites don't have proof that their models are 18+?
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2005-07-03, 6:45 PM #15
It's not death of any porn but kiddie porn, really. It's only the death of sites with funny pictures. Because most of the time, the people in the pictures don't give any form of consent. So yeah, it's really quite lame, but it's the least of our worries right now.
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2005-07-03, 6:49 PM #16
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Originally posted by Spork
Wouldnt that be indecent exposure, or something like that..?


My best guess that indecent exposure is charged when unwilling participants are involved.

After reading Wuss' article, it seems quite apparent that this legislation isn't an honest attempt to prevent child pornography, but to simply provide a way for the fundamental right to gain more power.

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Originally posted by Jedigreedo
Not really. Why is it so hard for people to think that US porn sites don't have proof that their models are 18+?


It's not so much that. Any reputable adult company should have such records on-file and ready to show to the proper authorities. It gets rather ridiculous however, when (according to Wuss' article), an adult site can be held accountable for not documenting when its images (hotlinked off their servers) appear on someone else's page.
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2005-07-03, 7:25 PM #17
I wonder if a site like College Humor is effected. I seriously doubt the people who send photos also send identification.
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2005-07-03, 8:44 PM #18
How conceivable is it for this to actually be enforced? Seriously.
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2005-07-03, 8:59 PM #19
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Originally posted by Rob
A minor can't be jailed for sending around nudie pics of themselves.


I think that has happened, actually.
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2005-07-03, 9:22 PM #20
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Originally posted by Rob
A minor can't be jailed for sending around nudie pics of themselves.


You give the justice system too much credit:

"A 15-year-old girl has been arrested for taking nude photographs of her self and posting them on the Internet ... She has been charged with sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography."

"Dissemination of child pornography" makes some sense, but "sexual abuse of children"?! Just wait, in a few years they'll be arresting 15-year-old boys for molesting themselves.
2005-07-03, 9:25 PM #21
So i can wave my penis around in the mirror, but the moment I take a picture of my penis I get arrested for having child porn. Heh. I need to go.....no calls.
Think while it's still legal.
2005-07-03, 9:33 PM #22
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Originally posted by Argath
"Dissemination of child pornography" makes some sense, but "sexual abuse of children"?! Just wait, in a few years they'll be arresting 15-year-old boys for molesting themselves.


I can't wait till I'm legal!
2005-07-03, 9:40 PM #23
I just ROFL'd all over myself. My god that was funny.
Think while it's still legal.
2005-07-03, 10:30 PM #24
I stand corrected guys.


Our laws, freaking suck. Big time.


But you know what sucks about our government, the average person really can't do JACK about it.. and thats now how things were intended to be.
2005-07-03, 10:35 PM #25
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Originally posted by Rob
I stand corrected guys.


Our laws, freaking suck. Big time.


But you know what sucks about our government, the average person really can't do JACK about it.. and thats now how things were intended to be.

But... but it's a democracy!
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2005-07-03, 10:37 PM #26
More like DeCROCKroasty.


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2005-07-03, 10:51 PM #27
well, this should cut down on kid porn. But requiring identification is kinda overkill. In my opinion, anything that is obvious child porn should be shut down, anything in question should be question and ID requested. Anything obvious should be left. Anything from here on out should have proof with it that they're over age of consent, and then just shown.


This kinda reminds me of the "Internet Porn" song Bob and Tom has on the radio. *Sings* Internet porn, I stay up late to the glow of my computer. Oooh Internet porn, I may never see the ligh again, ooooh internet porn HEY THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE!

Lol I'm kinda split on this thing..but atleast now i know how to get you guys in jail...*fishes out camera*
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2005-07-03, 11:02 PM #28
Some of you really amaze me. The porn industry has been required to record proof of age for a very long time. Expanding that to the internet is natural. Especially since porn is increasingly moving to the internet.

And if Europe is happy to allow kiddy porn, well, that says more about Europeans.
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2005-07-03, 11:04 PM #29
Internet porn != physical medium porn
2005-07-03, 11:38 PM #30
I can just imagine how they're running this. 20 people, sitting in a dark computer room, searching for things like "kiddy porn" on Google, and hoping something comes up. They do this every day.

If they want to crack down on kiddy porn, they should have spies in chatrooms. They'll never find a website with that kind of stuff. Only an idiot would put that kind of stuff where anyone could find it.
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2005-07-04, 12:07 AM #31
How come there's no google links at the bottom of this thread...?

It'd be crazy to see what it would link too

:p
2005-07-04, 12:54 AM #32
Perhaps part of the problem with our representative democracy is that it isn't heirarchical enough. Maybe we should have representatives on the county level which report to representatives on the state level. The larger the population, the larger a heirarchy you'll need. I think.

And whenever quantum computing takes off and data lines can become truely secure, we may see internet voting leading to a more direct democracy.
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2005-07-04, 1:08 AM #33
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Originally posted by Wookie06
And if Europe is happy to allow kiddy porn, well, that says more about Europeans.


Yeah, over here we have no morals and push old ladies in front of buses.
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2005-07-04, 5:55 AM #34
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Originally posted by Tenshu
Yeah, over here we have no morals and push old ladies in front of buses.


Well considering how most old ladies drive...I'm not so sure that's a bad thing.
2005-07-04, 8:00 AM #35
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Originally posted by Wookie06
And if Europe is happy to allow kiddy porn, well, that says more about Europeans.


I was under the impression, too, that there was (at least) one country in Europe that allowed child pornography, but I'm having difficulty finding information, though, that says there are any European countries that, to date, legally allow kiddie porn.
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2005-07-04, 9:40 AM #36
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Originally posted by Chaz Ghostle
I can just imagine how they're running this. 20 people, sitting in a dark computer room, searching for things like "kiddy porn" on Google, and hoping something comes up. They do this every day.



I bet a lot of people would love that job.
2005-07-04, 10:37 AM #37
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Originally posted by Wolfy
I was under the impression, too, that there was (at least) one country in Europe that allowed child pornography, but I'm having difficulty finding information, though, that says there are any European countries that, to date, legally allow kiddie porn.


Ukraine. *shudders*
D E A T H
2005-07-04, 10:41 AM #38
It's not going to work. Simple.. Look whats happened to games and music..And the porn industry topples them both combined in its popularity.

Besides, if you go on limewire, there is literally thousands of images and videos of child porn. It's disgusting. All it takes is one keyword or typo and that's it, it's all brought up. I hate it and want it gone, but sadly, that isn't going to happen.
2005-07-04, 10:46 AM #39
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Originally posted by Wookie06
Some of you really amaze me. The porn industry has been required to record proof of age for a very long time. Expanding that to the internet is natural. Especially since porn is increasingly moving to the internet.

And if Europe is happy to allow kiddy porn, well, that says more about Europeans.


Wookie, of course I totally support stopping child pornography. However, if you read the link that I posted, you will see that this law requires much more than simply recording proof of age. I admit, I don't know the in's and out's of the pornography business and what kind of records they usually keep, but this certainly sounds excessive and appears to be an oblique attack at the pornography under the guise of "stopping child pornography" (which is obviously a good cause). Not to mention, the fact that the law opens the door to warrentless entry into adult businesses is troubling as well.

...and I just got back from Italy. It's true--Europeans do push old ladies in front of buses. That is, when they are not busy stomping on puppies and handing out child pornography on street corners. :p
2005-07-04, 10:51 AM #40
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Originally posted by Wookie06
Some of you really amaze me. The porn industry has been required to record proof of age for a very long time. Expanding that to the internet is natural. Especially since porn is increasingly moving to the internet.

And if Europe is happy to allow kiddy porn, well, that says more about Europeans.


You really amaze me in how much you don't read up on laws that really are this important. It's people like you that get these bull**** laws passed. Congrats, you've become a tool.
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