It's taken to taking the Sabbath off. Every Sunday afternoon for the past three weeks, it's stopped working. Come Monday, it starts back up again.

My internet connection ocassionally takes Sunday off too. I can't figure ouCONNECTION LOST

SHOMER SHABBOS! *


*I know this is Jewish.

Dang...the Christians strike again...

This thread scares me a great deal...

Isn't the Sabbath Saturday? [/technicality]

Nobody expects the Electronic Inquisition!

It's the Crusades all over again.

Clever. :p

Heh, that made me laugh.

Big lebowski.

Since our current calendar isn't the one the Sabbath was created under, we probably can't say with 100% certainty either way. It's just "the 7th day of the week." So I guess it doesn't matter, as long as the individual is consistent. *shrug*

QUOTE]It's the Crusades all over again. [/QUOTE]

Joan of A/C?[

No, I think it's actually protesting people who think Sunday is the Sabbath day, when Saturday actually is.

Modern Christians worship God on Sunday as a bastardization of their own religion - Sunday was the Roman day of worship.

I'm 99% sure it's Saturday. Christians come together in churches to worship on Sunday because (if you remember your Sunday School) that was the day of the week Easter occured.

That's historical revisionism. The real reason is, of course, Emperor Constantine trying to appeal to the massively larger Pagan population of the Roman Empire. By the time Christianity reached dominance most of them had already switched over to Sunday.

i need a beer

The Jewish Sabbath starts on Friday at sunset, and ends on Saturday at sunset.

So it's sort of friday, sort of Saturday.

isnt that the same kinda reason christmas is celebrated in december?

...you don't know religious history?

Er.. if you're implying that it's because Jesus was born in december... guess again.

Apparently Jesus was born in september. (How anyone worked this out when theres no evidence he actually ever existed is beyond me. Anyway...) there was originally a pagan festival celebrating the days getting longer at the end of december. Christians hijacked it

He was actually implying the opposite

Odd how a thread beginning on the topic of air conditioner quirks has turned into a religious discussion. Only Massassi.

Well the title had the word Christianity in it. It was bound to become a religious discussion

my AC has froze again, whitch means it sucks becaus it's not running! *dies*

i learned a bit

then i got wrecked and forgot

is it shocking that somebody doesnt know something that you do?

lets have a discussion about Dutch Tilts.

More or less. Celebrating the birth of Christ in December was for the later assimilation of (largely Germanic) pagan groups as the Holy Roman Empire spread its influence further. Many yuletide traditions remain from when it was a Pagan holiday - the yule log and Christmas tree among them.

Easter, Halloween and... um... Lent? Don't remember the last one. Anyway, there were 3 other major pagan holidays/festivals in addition to Christmas, and Christians adopted them all as a way of keeping their new protectorate happy. People get attached to traditions much more readily than they get attached to deities.

and snow at christmas is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!

Actually I find the most tantalizing aspect is the actual bastardization of the meaning of those holidays. Halloween for instance (samhaine) was meant to honor the spirits, not fear them. Christmas was more about death and survival, rather than birth and joy. And Easter was a simple fertility celebration... you get where I'm going with this.

sex with dead people and drunken parties when people die?


oh wait....

Jon'C is trying to say that we pagans celebrate in Solstices. Halloween, for example, is the Samhein (pronounced SOW-in). During this time we celebrate the weakness of the veil that surrounds our world and the otherworld. Because of this weak viel, people can communicate and "feel" the spirits and celebrate their transformation (just like when Yoda celebrates the transformation into the Force when someone dies!).

Christmas is celebrated in Winter Solstice. During this time we remeber the strength of the hearth, and celebrate it in membrance of survivle and warmth. For now that the lands are frozen, we remeber that they will be reborn again. It's like death, but there will be life. I would explain more but it's going to be a long explaination.

Easter is a symbolistic holiday. Druids and the celtics resemble this through the coming of May Day, which is also a symbolistic day from Summer Soltice in which we celebrate fertility. For example, your Christian Easter Bunny that lays eggs, and etc...your "easter egg hunt" also came from our ancestors. Usually they try to hide burried treasure out in the fields between communities so the children could have fun getting stuff, while the parents...well...you know.

not to mention the year that we think of as his birth is a number of years after his birth

No.

YES (at yoshi)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

third paragraph

Oh so very conclusive. Spot on source there. You win.

As false as the Bible may mostly be, I'm afraid there did probably exist an individual known as Jesus Christ, although there's no scripture actually from Jesus' alleged lifetime (no scholars actually know even in which year Jesus Christ was born or died, but the common assumption is from around 6 BC to 36 AD, though some suggest his death to be as early as 27 AD).

Cornelius Tacitus was a Roman historian who wrote of someone that is generally agreed to be Jesus (there were a lot of 'prophets' around this time, all doing 'miracles', so there is some uncertainty).

Suetonius was the author of The Lives of the Caesars circa 120 CE. "Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, expelled them from Rome."
This is often used to support the historical existance of Jesus, assuming that Jesus' title was misspelled.

No other Roman historians make any record of anyone that could be Jesus Christ, which suggests that even if he did exist, his 'miracles' didn't make nearly as big an impact then as they are supposed to have now.

Wikipedia has hundreds of people constantly checking for errors or inconsistencies, especially with topics like this. No, it's not a peer-reviewed theological paper, but it's as close as we're going to get.

thankyou mort.

wonder what other agument fallacy he will commit to make it seem like i am a moron who knows nothing. because it seems that is what he thinks, so he trys to get other people to think it.

I'm not saying Wiki, I'm saying a paragraph that says "Jesus may not have been born when we think." Jesus may not be born when we think. Shock, awe.

But nobody knows when he was born. Before or after when we think. That's my point.

And you're just fishing for an argument alpha. You lose.