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Live forever
2005-07-09, 8:51 PM #1
Do you think they should research how to make people live forever?

What I think first they should do is, get a vaccine for "old age" which freezes you at a particular age... once this is done, start doing research on regeneration... so we can grow back limbs and heal from wounds quicker... I know this might cause problems for people who have had their appendix removed or some other kind of operation (wisdom teeth) so they would need to find a way around that....

If you don't agree with this, please post your reasons...

Just to save you time, here are the most common arguments...

1. Over population.... If people didn't die, the Earth would over populate.

Solution: This actually is NOT a bad thing. The over population would FORCE us to advance.. we would HAVE to start colonizing other planets to survive... the government would dump $$ into the space program... Naturally, we would be looking for faster and faster ways to get from planet to planet, so they would start inventing public space transit. Also if we find an asteroid or comet heading toward earth... our entire species WON'T be irradicated, it will ensure the survival of our species...and if we had enough time, we could even evacuate the earth.

2. Evil people like Hitler would still be alive...

Solution: This one is easily dismissed.... first of all, if we simply eradicate old age, that wouldn't change someone like Hitler for being killed... Hitler didn't die of old age... Also if death just plain didn't exsist... Hitler wouldn't have been as evil.. he couldn't KILL anyone... he would have just been a biggot that would be locked away in prison. Also, all the great minds of the past would still be alive to help progress mankind (like einstine and newton)

3. Life would get boring after eons of living...

Solution: I'd rather be bored out of my mind than be dead.... call me crazy, but I never feel like blowing my brains out just cause I am bored.

4. The sun is gonna explode sooner or later anyway, so we're all gonna die no matter how long we live...

Solution: That is SO far off right now that since we would be FORCED to colonize other planets, by the millions of years of colonizing planets, we would be inhabiting planets in other systems.

5. It would get lonely living forever

Solution: Not really, if EVERYONE lived forever, there is no real reason to get lonely.

6. god says it is bad.

Solution: I am not a Christian, and neither is like 70% of the rest of the world (I don't know the exact numbers).. It is kinda dumb that I would have to die for your god. If your religious beliefs are agenst it, then don't live forever... don't take the vaccine and die all you want... but I shouldn't have to die just cause you want to. I am my own god, and I don't want to see my god die any more than ANY religion wants to see their god die..
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2005-07-09, 9:06 PM #2
I'm sorry, but you would get tired of life. You'd do everything, and you can only do it so many times. I would eventually end up blowing my brains out. Yes, genius would be a good thing to keep around. but if they DO develope this, they better not make it mandatory. If the person doesn't want to live forever, don't let them.

How? Seriously. HOW WOULD THEY DO IT? That'd cost millions, probably BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars to research, and are you SURE we could attain immortality? And not everyone would live forever. Birth defects would still exist, and wars would still happen. If nothing else, some terrorists would bomb the research place because it's holy in their religion.
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2005-07-09, 9:08 PM #3
Unarguable Argument:

The things we do in life would no longer be underscored, and thus acheivements would be minimalistic. We exsist to fill the space between our life and our death with accomplishment and progression. Without these things, you're playing an MMORPG. Anyone who's every played an MMORPG KNOWS you can't have fun on it forever. Being bored is actually more dangerous than you might imagine. Life without meaning or accomplishment [Death is an accomplishment to end all accomplishments] than humans would fall into a complete stupor and likelly, we'd end up with a society of undirective creatures that only exsisted to simply exsist.

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2005-07-09, 9:10 PM #4
Maybe 200 or 300 years. But forever? Nah.
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2005-07-09, 9:10 PM #5
Am I the only one who wants immortality?
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2005-07-09, 9:12 PM #6
Could you love the same person for an eternity? Probably not. Eventually we'd get to a system of exchanged love, or even a non-homogulous society where we sleep with whomever we like and love everyone. A race will soon depleate itself at that rate of exsistance.
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2005-07-09, 9:13 PM #7
Kirby, you think wayyy wayyyy to deep about everything :p it isn't a bad thing, but man. How do you sleep? :p
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2005-07-09, 9:14 PM #8
I have reoccuring insomnia, so technically, I don't. I just lay in bed at night with headphones on thinking.
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2005-07-09, 9:15 PM #9
I would not want to live forever, but i wouldn't mind staying the age that I am now, assuming that there would be some sort of kill switch that I could use when I have had enough.

300 years would probably be enough for me. The world is only getting worse.
2005-07-09, 9:15 PM #10
Ah, well then. That answers that.
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2005-07-09, 9:17 PM #11
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Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY
Could you love the same person for an eternity? Probably not. Eventually we'd get to a system of exchanged love, or even a non-homogulous society where we sleep with whomever we like and love everyone. A race will soon depleate itself at that rate of exsistance.


Holy crap, I'm quoting myself and arguing against myself.

One would argue that a society that has intercourse with whomever they like would eventually develope into a superior race, considering the most physically fit would mate more often and thus weed out the ugly, and often physically weak creatures. It's overpopulation on steroids. The only countermeasures that'd have to be taken are simply to avoid aids, which could EASILY be countered by electronic branding.

We'd literally be playing god, and considering we'd also live forever, we'd be a race of supreme beings, capable of only progressing.

Gods, if you will.
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2005-07-09, 9:18 PM #12
I think we need to leave eternal life for.... the afterlife. (If you believe in one.)

And... I think Vampires should be the only ones that get to live for very long times... and Wookies... and Yoda's... Um. And I guess Hutt's and a ton of other things. But not humans. We're like fly's compared to some animals. Even if they are semi-mythological in nature...
2005-07-09, 9:19 PM #13
Get some sleep, kirby. You're not only thinking too much, you're OVER-thinking it.

If someone wants to die, all they'd have to do is kill themselves. But it'd be better for those who don't want to die, and want to live forever. I could dig it.
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2005-07-09, 9:24 PM #14
Hmm, this reminds me of the elves from LotR. They were immortal, but could die in battle or from utter despair (as in the loss of a loved one). That sounds sorta similar to how we'd "end" if humans became immortal. :/
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2005-07-09, 9:26 PM #15
Meh, either way...

Immortality would be nice because you could achieve everything you want to, but dying is all right too.
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2005-07-09, 9:30 PM #16
1.) Living forever = working forever. No retirement.
2.) If the number of annoying people stayed the same, we'd be surrounded and perhaps overtaken by swarms of people who's every third word is "like."
3.) I can barely stand #2 for 21 years. I couldn't go on forever.
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2005-07-09, 9:30 PM #17
the only problem is that THERE ARE LIMITED THING YOU CAN DO in a video game.. thus it is not fun forever.... and new things are being invented all the time, new books, new parks... new movies... it would be impossible to do EVERYTHING unless u were living int he same day over and over again... then you could do everything cause there would be no progression... and the reason everyone says death is good is because they have accepted it asn an enevitability.... but that doesn't make it good... and if people lived forever they would be constantly looking for NEW goals.. instead of just giving up...

yeah.. it'd be like a vaccine that you'd get.. not manditory
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2005-07-09, 9:40 PM #18
I have no reason to believe death isn't a good thing.
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2005-07-09, 9:42 PM #19
Um... how many new movies can be made until EVERY idea has been taken? Yes, there's GOT to be a number. Consider it like a math problem:

Code:
Infinate
   X


X has to be a real number, thus you will ALWAYS outlive reasons to exsist. Thus, exsistance would be moot. One could ask "Why even live when we only live for so long?" I say "We live only so long because that is the time allotted to accomplish all of our ideas and dreams." If everyone could do everything, they would no longer be YOUR dreams. They'd be one of the many dreams you can experience this 1000 years. And if not this, how about next?

And don't even get me STARTED on currency. What would we use for currency when our resources are constantly changing as we move to new planets after using up all the resources on another? Galactic credits? What constitutes a planet's currency if they sell things that allow you to breath on their planet; useless things on another planet.

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2005-07-09, 10:34 PM #20
sure it would be a hassle... but I'd rather be hassled than be dead... to my understanding, being dead is much like before you were born... except endlessly.. i woul dlike to avoid that at all costs...
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2005-07-10, 2:04 AM #21
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sure it would be a hassle... but I'd rather be hassled than be dead... to my understanding, being dead is much like before you were born... except endlessly.. i woul dlike to avoid that at all costs...


you know, from MY point of view, you're also endlessly dead before you're born. only the other way sort of endlessly. time is an interesting concept.

i'd like being immortal, i suppose. you can never learn enough. also, when i manage to get the age-freeze-cure thing, i'll immediately hunt down and kill every other "immortal" out there and then destroy the cure (or, if i absolutely must, keep it for myself).

a pre-emptive strike, if you will.
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2005-07-10, 2:35 AM #22
maybe. I know that or cremation. I dont konw I'd dtry feelings hot it is and thinking it was to much still....ok i'm not making sense my sleeping pills are keeping in. i'm weird on the debate
2005-07-10, 3:00 AM #23
If I could live forever..

I'd launch myself into space, in search of other places.
2005-07-10, 3:17 AM #24
Immortlity sucks. Yeah, sure, you could live forever, but how would you cope with it? Not all of us can grab a spaceship and insult every being in the universe.

The main problem would be overcrowding if everyone took it. No'one'd be able to fornicate freely without overpopulating and straining the resources. I think that speaks for itself.

And what the Kirbz0r is thinking of is The End. Robert Rankin makes it a rather large feature in "Sex and Drugs and Sausage Rolls", I think. Read it. Hell, read all of them.
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2005-07-10, 3:38 AM #25
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Originally posted by Rob
If I could live forever..

I'd launch myself into space, in search of other places.


Surely if technology got this advanced to give us "immortality" or whatever we'd probably be exploring a lot more planets and new things. I don't really think i would get bored of living forever, think of the countless possibilities of things to happen, people to meet etc. The only downer was if everyone else was dying as you kept on surviving.
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2005-07-10, 3:58 AM #26
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Originally posted by - Tony -
The main problem would be overcrowding if everyone took it. No'one'd be able to fornicate freely without overpopulating and straining the resources.


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2005-07-10, 4:57 AM #27
Aren't there people already working on some sort of process to stop aging? I don't remember the exact details, but I think I read an article a couple months ago that a group of scientists is currently working on it, that it "could be in testing by 2010", and if they get the funding and whatever other form of support they need, it could be "usable" by 2020. It seems just a tad unbelievable to me, but then I guess you have to look at the timespan in which other technologies have developed and try to take into consideration the rate of technological advancement that's possible.

I think I'm of the same mind as Page as far as the whole immortality thing is concerned. I'd probably like to stay a certain physical age and live until I've done what I want to, I guess.
2005-07-10, 5:01 AM #28
Immortality and being able to stay healthy... or more likely, being perfect (including immortality) would be quite nice. :rolleyes:
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2005-07-10, 5:10 AM #29
I would love to live forever along with everyone else. It would be fantastic to watch how the human race progresses.
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2005-07-10, 5:15 AM #30
I am going to live forever..... or die trying.
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2005-07-10, 7:07 AM #31
If I lived forever, I guess I would eventually get a JK Level/Mod done and maybe my RPG, but I couldn't stand Rutheven that long either.:D
2005-07-10, 8:39 AM #32
Kirby, you're making a lot of speculation on something neither you nor anyone else has experienced, so I suggest you realize this before you talk, considering that you're saying this as if it were FACT.
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2005-07-10, 8:50 AM #33
No matter the advances in science, humans couldn't live "forever". Sure, you could probably extend it to a very long time, but eventually every star in the galaxy will burn out and eventually the universe will probably collapse upon itself. Not to mention, the longer your lifespan, the higher the probability that you'll get hit by a car or something. Or.. rocket-car.
2005-07-10, 9:35 AM #34
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Originally posted by JediGandalf
Am I the only one who wants immortality?


I want it too.
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2005-07-10, 11:17 AM #35
I would want to live for maybe 5-7 times longer than my regular life.
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2005-07-10, 11:19 AM #36
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Kirby, you're making a lot of speculation on something neither you nor anyone else has experienced, so I suggest you realize this before you talk, considering that you're saying this as if it were FACT.


Speculations must be made as if they were fact or you'd never be able to believe them. And why NOT make those speculations? I think I have some support to back up my speculations, so they aren't really just speculations, but hypothesis'.

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2005-07-10, 11:25 AM #37
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Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY
Um... how many new movies can be made until EVERY idea has been taken? Yes, there's GOT to be a number.


Remakes.
2005-07-10, 11:30 AM #38
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Originally posted by Mr. Stafford
Remakes.


Home videos?
2005-07-10, 11:32 AM #39
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4003063.stm

Basically, we'll be able to live endlessly until something kills us.

I want to live forever. I wouldn't get bored.
2005-07-10, 11:34 AM #40
Here's the (horribly designed) SENS site:

http://www.gen.cam.ac.uk/sens/index.html

Wow, it describes how even with immigration to space, it's still possible to run out of room, becasue the population would increase exponentially, while the amount of space we can get to over time only increases cubicly. Interesting.
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