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A new reason not to get longhorn
2005-07-15, 5:05 PM #1
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/15/155216&from=rss


Quote:
Mr_Silver writes "Engadget has an interesting article regarding a new feature in Longhorn entitled PVP-OPM (Protected Video Path - Output Protection Management) which detects the capabilities of the display devices you are using and manages how (and if at all) content is sent to it. In short, this means that if Longhorn detects that your monitor is not "secure" enough, then your premium video content won't play on it until you buy one that is. Who gets to decide? The content providers of course." From the article: "So what will happen when you try to play premium content on your incompatible monitor? If you're "lucky", the content will go through a resolution constrictor. The purpose of this constrictor is to down-sample high-resolution content to below a certain number of pixels. The newly down-sampled content is then blown back up to match the resolution of your monitor. This is much like when you shrink a JPEG and then zoom into it. Much of the clarity is lost. The result is a picture far fuzzier than it need be."




This royally pisses me off. I believe that DRM in any form is inherently bad. it does nothing to stop piracy, since any pirate worth his salt will use cracked software that completely bypasses protections, (e.g. XP corporate with the FCKGW key, and de-steamed HL2) so the people that get hurt are the regular consumers that have no ability to fight back.

Although this DRM is designed to work on the hardware level, I'd bet money that warezers and the cracking groups will devise a workaround at the software level that lets them view protected content. Meanwhile, everyone else gets it up the a**. :mad:
2005-07-15, 7:17 PM #2
Indeed, DRM is like UN sanctions; the bad guys don't get hurt at all, but all the honest, law-abiding, innocent civilians/customers get hurt. I'd imagine that a simple hack of the drivers would be plenty to effectively circumvent that sort of DRM system, permanently. (no Microsoft patch short of simply abolishing the system would stop that hack from working, if the hacked driver was made correctly)

Of course, for those that don't remember about how inneffective UN sanctions are, remember Saddaam Hussein's "love shacks", and his countless other palaces?
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2005-07-15, 9:29 PM #3
This just seems dumb. "I'm sorry, but we don't like your monitor, so you can't look at this". I don't care what the reason is behind it, a lot of other people are going to get shafted by this.
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2005-07-15, 9:50 PM #4
Damn.:(
2005-07-15, 11:01 PM #5
I read the idea and it's stupid, but what is longhorn
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2005-07-15, 11:13 PM #6
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I read the idea and it's stupid, but what is longhorn


Longhorn is the first sign of the Apocalypse, also known as the upcoming version of MS Windows.
幻術
2005-07-15, 11:18 PM #7
They are putting this into their next operation system?
BASTARDS

That is the stupidest idea in the world and they should melt their brains for even thinking of something so dumb
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2005-07-15, 11:59 PM #8
You just know that M$ is going to market this DRM s*** on the unsuspecting consumer base as a "new security feature intended to enhance the security of Windows." The problem is, they just don't mention who benefits from the added security. Bastards indeed.
2005-07-16, 7:27 AM #9
Why does this suprise any of you? Microsoft has one goal: to make money. They couldn't care less about their customers. DRM is just another way to squeeze more money out of an unsuspecting public.
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2005-07-16, 7:33 AM #10
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Microsoft has one goal: to make money.


Like every other corporation too. Like the whole point of capitalism. Microsoft is just a lot better at it than everyone else.
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2005-07-16, 7:46 AM #11
This is why we should stick with XP and lower...

>_>

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2005-07-16, 8:06 AM #12
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
Like every other corporation too. Like the whole point of capitalism. Microsoft is just a lot better at it than everyone else.


Not every corporation is a single-minded as Microsoft. Google, for example; Sure, they make money. They make a crapload of money. But they do it while providing many valuable services to the online community at large. Google doesn't charge us for these services, they make it from unobtrusive *targeted* advertisements.


Microsoft reminds me of a child rapist. They promise the public candy in the back of their rusty Ford van, but end up kidnapping, raping, and killing them. Microsoft is always promising the world that its next version of xxx_product will be pure ambrosia, but on release its just another sickly piece of unripened cheese. But thats OK, right, because everyone eats it up as if it were ambrosia?
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2005-07-16, 8:33 AM #13
And so I pass on my little secret knowledge that will enlighten... (as quoted from yesterday)

OSX > Windows
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2005-07-16, 10:24 AM #14
Page: That's exactly how Microsoft makes its revenues. They feed off of the technological stupidity of the public. Mention the words "enhanced security" and the public will gobble it up like candy. I can probably write "hello world" and make millions just by marketing "hello world will ensure that your data is highly secured" although all it will do is print "hello world"
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2005-07-16, 10:28 AM #15
I'll still get it. Like nottheking said, it'll be cracked (I suspect) within days. And Longhorn has too much prettiness going for it not to get.

I'm just waiting for the 64-bit color revolution. \m/
D E A T H
2005-07-16, 10:40 AM #16
Quote:
Originally posted by JediGandalf
I can probably write "hello world" and make millions just by marketing "hello world will ensure that your data is highly secured" although all it will do is print "hello world"


not really, b/c if all it does is print "Hello world" and you claimed that it improved security, you would be liable for false advertising and fraud, but I see what you're getting at here.
2005-07-16, 10:41 AM #17
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
And Longhorn has too much prettiness going for it not to get.

Congradulations! We inticed you with pretty shiny graphics and you were the first one to capitulate! Tell the people what he won!

A full and committed Microsoft beneficiary! With your newfound status, you have to buy software/hardware to meet our demands if you ever want stuff to work. All the while you are helping us get even more money! Your actual reward is pending...maybe.
Code to the left of him, code to the right of him, code in front of him compil'd and thundered. Programm'd at with shot and $SHELL. Boldly he typed and well. Into the jaws of C. Into the mouth of PERL. Debug'd the 0x258.
2005-07-16, 10:59 AM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by JediGandalf
Congradulations! We inticed you with pretty shiny graphics and you were the first one to capitulate! Tell the people what he won!

A full and committed Microsoft beneficiary! With your newfound status, you have to buy software/hardware to meet our demands if you ever want stuff to work. All the while you are helping us get even more money! Your actual reward is pending...maybe.


Why else would I upgrade? Not to mention, with a new kernel, all compatibilities are going to change. Everyone's going to upgrade anyways. Even people who hate Microsoft and who tout linux (while never using it). I figure, why wait?
D E A T H
2005-07-16, 12:52 PM #19
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
...And Longhorn has too much prettiness going for it not to get....

The screenshots of Longhorn that Ive seen have left be with a bad taste in my mouth. Microsoft must have a 3-year-old doing thier interface design work. I much prefer the direction KDE4 is going...


Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
...Everyone's going to upgrade anyways. ...

Wrong. There will be a great many people and organizations that will not, for many years, because their current hardware wont support it.
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2005-07-16, 11:03 PM #20
Quote:
Originally posted by gbk
The screenshots of Longhorn that Ive seen have left be with a bad taste in my mouth. Microsoft must have a 3-year-old doing thier interface design work. I much prefer the direction KDE4 is going...


I agree with you about longhorn's interface. Right now, it looks like a reskinned Windows XP, nothing especially new or innovative.
2005-07-17, 11:40 AM #21
Quote:
Originally posted by gbk
The screenshots of Longhorn that Ive seen have left be with a bad taste in my mouth. Microsoft must have a 3-year-old doing thier interface design work. I much prefer the direction KDE4 is going...



Wrong. There will be a great many people and organizations that will not, for many years, because their current hardware wont support it.


To number 1) The interface is COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE BY THE USER. I don't think you picked up that bit. There's really a whole CRAPLOAD of things you can do with it. It's not like XP where you have to do a lot of crap just to get some theme working.

To number 2) You do know the meaning of eventually don't you? :p
D E A T H
2005-07-17, 3:47 PM #22
Martyn is saving up for a powerbook.

Martyn will look into Longhorn when it's come out and you guys have all critiqued it.

Martyn loves Massassi.

:D
2005-07-17, 4:40 PM #23
Wolfy shares Martyn's second and third sentiments.
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2005-07-17, 4:45 PM #24
...is on a Powerbook ( well one of them)

Only uses Win2k, cause XP's is a pain in the rear

Will never sell or see the retail PC market growing thanks to this great new OS....
2005-07-18, 10:42 AM #25
I quite like the old XP, though 2k has it's merits too :)
2005-07-18, 11:41 AM #26
I don't know why you're worried about this... This is going to be for DRM-ed media, Not for a DivX AVI. This reminds me of when Microsoft's product activation system was announced... Everyone was saying "I'LL NEVER GET XP!!!!!1111", and now most of those people have it.
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2005-07-18, 12:07 PM #27
Quote:
Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS
A new reason not to get longhorn


As if I needed one. Pffft!
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2005-07-18, 12:09 PM #28
O.......S.......X

'Nuff said
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2005-07-18, 12:25 PM #29
Quote:
Originally posted by mscbuck
O.......S.......X

'Nuff said


I'd rather have Longhorn than OSX any day. Mainly because I like to game.
D E A T H
2005-07-18, 12:37 PM #30
That may change in the near future with Apple switching to x86.
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2005-07-18, 1:47 PM #31
Quote:
Originally posted by Emon
That may change in the near future with Apple switching to x86.


Actually it's STILL not confirmed whether it's x86 or just Intel PowerPC clones or something else. :\
D E A T H
2005-07-18, 2:34 PM #32
I don't feel much need to game any more.

(Apart from the fact I've got Spycraft)
2005-07-18, 4:52 PM #33
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Actually it's STILL not confirmed whether it's x86 or just Intel PowerPC clones or something else. :\
Intel does produce low-powered RISC processors for embedded devices. the XScale team has stated it would be fairly trivial to produce a processor intended for desktop or laptop use; honestly, if they're choosing a brand new platform for their laptops, XScale would be quite an interesting choice.

As long as it had a FPU, anyway.
2005-07-18, 6:06 PM #34
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Actually it's STILL not confirmed whether it's x86 or just Intel PowerPC clones or something else. :\


Apple's Universal Binary Programming Guidelines says x86.
2005-07-19, 8:07 PM #35
They have Mac OSX for x86 processors...there's somewhat of a difference.
D E A T H
2005-07-19, 10:38 PM #36
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]They have Mac OSX for x86 processors...there's somewhat of a difference.[/QUOTE]

The Universal Binary Programming Guidelines is distributed with the Developer Transition Kit, a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 (in a PowerMac G5 case) available to help developers with the switch to Intel.

Also note that the Universal Binary document uses the terms "x86" and "Macintosh computers using Intel® microprocessors" interchangeably.
2005-07-19, 11:14 PM #37
So what I have for proof is a bunch of speculation and a theory on an online forum.

I'll await the actual word from Intel/Apple
D E A T H
2005-07-19, 11:17 PM #38
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]So what I have for proof is a bunch of speculation and a theory on an online forum.

I'll await the actual word from Intel/Apple[/QUOTE]

The Dev kits are already out and people are already using them to port code over. It's quite known that they're running on 3.6 GHz P4's, so it's pretty obvious that they're going to be using x86... It's not speculation, it's fact. People aren't going to use an x86 system to port code over to a non-x86 architecture type...
2005-07-19, 11:18 PM #39
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]So what I have for proof is a bunch of speculation and a theory on an online forum.

I'll await the actual word from Intel/Apple[/QUOTE]

Let's go over this again: Apple provides a development kit to help developers port their programs to the Intel Macs. The hardware is a Pentium-based PowerMac. The documentation discusses the differences between x86 and PowerPC. Exactly what part of this is speculation or theory?

If you really need an official statement of what's already pretty obvious, Apple's Phil Schiller said that Apple won't sell or officially support Windows for Intel-based Macs, but "that doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will. We won't do anything to preclude that." Additionally, PCWorld says that "an Intel spokesperson confirmed the chips will use the x86 architecture."

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