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A Few Questions About Harry Potter - Do NOT Read This Thread If You've Not Read Book6
2005-07-29, 8:29 PM #1
First of all, this thread will be LITTERED with spoilers. I want know complaints if people come in here and read it and find spoilers. I am NOT going to use spoiler tags so that people who HAVE read the book can answer my questions more easily.

First off, I only just got done reading the book today, started Tuesday and finished 4 days later. I must be a very slow reader, because it must have taken me easily 10-12 hours. So please, no old news comments, yes I know, I’m behind the times. :p

Now, as for the book, I enjoyed it, but it is definitely getting much darker (and consequently, more depressing, especially due to all of the deaths). I do, however, have a few questions – many of which may be speculation, for which no definite answers exist. But since I’m in Potter mode and find the story very involving and interesting, I will ask some questions in the hopes that Potter lovers can offer some insight, personal speculation, and maybe even a solid answer.

Here goes:

SPOILERS ARE RIFE FROM THIS POINT ONWARDS!!!!!!!!

1.) If there are so many charms and protective spells cast around Hogwartz and the grounds, in particular preventing apparition, how is it that Kreacher and Dobby, the house elves, are able to freely appear and reappear in and out of Gryffindor common room?

2.) Why on earth would Snape leave his copy of Half-Blood Prince Potions book lying around in his old storage closet, knowing full well it could get into the wrong hands (or the right ones, depending on how you look at it)? Surely he would have considered it a prize possession and moved it out to his new office when Slughorne took over the teaching position of Potions.

3.) This ties into number 2: How would Snape just make up new spells such as Sectumsempra? How do you just “make spells” out of nothing, in a way that other people can say these same words and get similar results? An odd question and perhaps looking too deeply, but I’m curious if anyone has a possible explanation?

4.) If the pensieve looks at peoples memories, which would indicate seeing a situation from the person’t point-of-view, how come Dumbledore and Harry observe such memories from the third person, and can walk around freely at their own will? Couldn’t they conceivably walk into other rooms during the duration of the memory? Again, an odd question I suppose.

Please discuss and pose your own questions if you like.
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2005-07-29, 8:42 PM #2
1. They're Allowed to (i just remembered, Disaperate)

2. Snape forgot about it till harry did the curse thing

4. the Person's logic would fill in what it is like in the other places
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2005-07-29, 8:43 PM #3
Why didn't the Aurors buy some P-90's? That's certainly got to trump some stupid curse any day. No way to block it, impossible to doge, full auto. Forget the stupid Hor-whats-it's, just fill Voldimort full of 9MM FMJ rounds.

Heh heh, imagine Harry putting some aim bot hexes on his guns. The death eaters dying with the cry, "OMQ hex!" :p
2005-07-29, 8:45 PM #4
Originally posted by Genki:
1. They're Allowed to (i just remembered, Disaperate)

2. Snape forgot about it till harry did the curse thing

4. the Person's logic would fill in what it is like in the other places

Please respond in more depth than that.
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2005-07-29, 8:49 PM #5
House elves use a different type of magic than wizards and such, so the antidisapparation wards don't apply to them. They snap their fingers to use their magic and don't use a wand.

Snape's book had a lot of incriminating things in it, such as the spells that he invented. If it were found in his possession, he would most likely cast suspicions upon himself regarding (haha, I typed that retarding) whether or not he's a death eater. Instead of taking it, he left it with the other used books, hoping that it'd go unnoticed.

Arithmancy is the process of mathematically breaking down spells to their basic components and also the process of creating new spells.

The pensive doesn't show your point of view, it shows the entire memory from another perspective, hence why Dumbly and Harry see the memory through their own eyes. I'm not sure if you could leave the memory, but every time in the series that a memory has been viewed, the viewers have stayed in the same room as the subject or have followed them. My guess is that they can't wander too far away from whoever's memory it is and are probably compelled to follow them by some force that they don't notice. If that makes sense. :P
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2005-07-29, 8:52 PM #6
Originally posted by Genki:
1. They're Allowed to (i just remembered, Disaperate)... They work for Hogwarts, House Elves may need to go out and get supplies/teacher's stuff. They have to get in and out and they have a special Elves Only way of doing it




2. Snape forgot about it till harry did the curse thing... He made it when he was 15! he's about 35-40 now, he could've forgotten about it...




4. The Person's logic would fill in what it is like in the other places... all i want to add is, What would happen if you went into someone memory who is crazy and they were utterly convinced that there was a giant pink elephant on the other side of the hedge? Would it be there when you revisit the memory?
My Theory is yes

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2005-07-29, 9:01 PM #7
Originally posted by Achelois:
House elves use a different type of magic than wizards and such, so the antidisapparation wards don't apply to them. They snap their fingers to use their magic and don't use a wand.

Snape's book had a lot of incriminating things in it, such as the spells that he invented. If it were found in his possession, he would most likely cast suspicions upon himself regarding (haha, I typed that retarding) whether or not he's a death eater. Instead of taking it, he left it with the other used books, hoping that it'd go unnoticed.

Arithmancy is the process of mathematically breaking down spells to their basic components and also the process of creating new spells.

The pensive doesn't show your point of view, it shows the entire memory from another perspective, hence why Dumbly and Harry see the memory through their own eyes. I'm not sure if you could leave the memory, but every time in the series that a memory has been viewed, the viewers have stayed in the same room as the subject or have followed them. My guess is that they can't wander too far away from whoever's memory it is and are probably compelled to follow them by some force that they don't notice. If that makes sense. :P


Thankyou, pure brilliance! :D

Those were just the kind of answers I was looking for. I'm surprised I didn't know what Arithmancy was. So, now I'll ask you, since you seem to be a veritable source of knowledge - what are all of the courses (ie, Herbology, Divination, etc.) offered at Hogwartz, I know many names, but I still might be missing a few, and I certainly don't know what all of them are exactly.

And thanks for the additional info as well, Genki. It was quite helpful! :)
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2005-07-29, 9:03 PM #8
Snape kills Dumbledore.
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2005-07-29, 9:03 PM #9
1. They actually brought up that point in one of the books (I think it was 5th or 6th), but someone explains how house elves use their own type of magic, explaining that wizards have their own type of magic and elves their own.

2. Possibly, Slughorne could've just picked up the first copy he saw in the closet and it could've been his own personal copy laying on top. Snape didn't need it anymore as he was teaching DADA, and he knew that nobody knew who the Half Blood Prince actually was.

3. What Achelois said.

4. They explain that in the books to at one point, saying how you should not stray to far from the person who gave the memory, or else it fades out to nothing. Makes sense.
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2005-07-29, 9:09 PM #10
Originally posted by Whelly:
4. They explain that in the books to at one point, saying how you should not stray to far from the person who gave the memory, or else it fades out to nothing. Makes sense.


Did they? I must have missed/forgotten that part. Makes sense, though. More sense than my "they're compelled to follow the person who the memory belongs to" theory. :P

Classes:

Core:
Potions
DADA
Transfiguration
Herbology
Charms

Electives:
Care of Magical Creatures
Arithmancy
Divination
Runes or whatever, I don't remember

I might've missed one or two. -shrug-

[edit] There was a history class too.
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2005-07-29, 9:12 PM #11
And Guess Who Remembered The History Class... Me
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2005-07-29, 9:13 PM #12
Originally posted by Daft_Vader:
Do NOT Read This Thread If You've Not Read Book6


Oops
2005-07-29, 9:18 PM #13
Originally posted by Thrawn42689:
Oops

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2005-07-29, 9:24 PM #14
Originally posted by Genki:
And Guess Who Remembered The History Class... Me

Genki's just upset because he doesn't win the Biggest HP Dork award.
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2005-07-29, 9:26 PM #15
Originally posted by Achelois:
Genki's just upset because he doesn't win the Biggest HP Dork award.

You said it, not me.
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2005-07-29, 9:32 PM #16
Yeah, where are all the guns?
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2005-07-29, 9:34 PM #17
Originally posted by Achelois:
Genki's just upset because he doesn't win the Biggest HP Dork award.

YOUR MOM WON THE BIGGEST HP DORK AWARD
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2005-07-29, 10:14 PM #18
who else thinks Harry is going to get his butt handed to him when he tries to go after Voldemorte and doesn't attend his 7th year?

I mean common he couldn't even beat Snape or a SINGLE Death Eater during the attack. Like Snape said...Harry is winning everytime he goes agianst Voldemorte out of pure dumb luck and help from others.



And I do agree....there should be Aurors with guns instead since logically they fire faster than a wand can and cursed bullets and such should be able to penetrate shields.
2005-07-29, 10:24 PM #19
Ehh, actually Harry took out about three Death Eaters by himself... one when he was fleeing Dumbledore's office, and that blonde one that shot curses everywhere, and that brother or sister when he was running toward Hagrid's... and that one was in the dark, when he had just been hit.

Wow what a geek I am. :S
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2005-07-29, 10:27 PM #20
I imagine there's a simple charm to protect yourself from mundane or unmagical weapons.
2005-07-29, 10:27 PM #21
[QUOTE=Duo Maxwell]who else thinks Harry is going to get his butt handed to him when he tries to go after Voldemorte and doesn't attend his 7th year?

I mean common he couldn't even beat Snape or a SINGLE Death Eater during the attack. Like Snape said...Harry is winning everytime he goes agianst Voldemorte out of pure dumb luck and help from others.



And I do agree....there should be Aurors with guns instead since logically they fire faster than a wand can and cursed bullets and such should be able to penetrate shields.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, I agree with you (partially). Harry didn't do so well in his encounter with Snape. However, unless I am mistaken, Harry did successfully stun Fenrir Greyback (the werewolf) and another Death Eater. They also kciked some serious Death Eater rear in book 5. However, it has become clear that apart from Voldemort himself, Snape is probably one of the most dangerous wizards of the age.

I would be highly surprised if Harry took him down easily, if it all initially given the following reasons:

1.) Harry is still in shock. Dumbledore has just been killed by one of the few people he trusted, and thus Harry's reaction time might be affected. Also, his angermight cause him to attack blindly (which he surely did) reducing his effectiveness.

2.) Snape knew every spell Harry cast on him because he had WRITTEN almost all of them. It's hard to hoist someone by their own petard when you're a 16 year old kid with little experience against a full-blown Death Eater who just so happens to be (it seems currently) Voldemort's right hand man

3.) J.K. Rowling needed Snape to escape so that she had a plot for book 7, so naturally Harry had to get a smackdown first! :p
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2005-07-29, 10:31 PM #22
Heh, he did get smacked down by Snape... one thing he should have done, though, is just tackle Snape when he was that close... he took on Sirius in book 3 when he thought he killed his parents with his fists and was winning, and Snape isn't a big fighter-guy, he's a wimpy guy picked on by people all the time...
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2005-07-30, 12:37 PM #23
The reason Harry couldn't have taken down Malfoy or Snape before Dumbledore got killed was because Dumbledore put a Freezing Charm on him, cause I think he new he was gonna die and he want Harry to see it.


But from just have re-read all the other books it was obious that Snape was evil, tyed into what he said in the 2nd chapter of The Half-Blood Prince.

I really loved this book and I can't wait for the next one or the movie. Who's gonna go see Harry Potter 4 in November?

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2005-07-30, 1:13 PM #24
The main reason Harry couldn't hit Snape with any spells was because he hadn't mastered non-verbal casting, so Snape knew what spell he was going to use each time (I think Snape was also reading Harry's thoughts, so he had even more warning). Of course, you have to wonder if there even will be a school for Harry to attend his seventh year at, with all the talk of Hogwarts closing.

Definately the best Harry Potter book, in my opinion. I like the direction the series is taking.
2005-07-30, 1:14 PM #25
I started writing an entry, but I discovered that Achelois had sarnath'd me.

JK Rowling answers quite a few detail/flavour questions on her website. [url]www.jkrowling.com[/url]
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2005-07-30, 1:17 PM #26
Yeah, Harry had better get some damn good occlumency lessons before even trying to take Snape on.
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2005-07-30, 1:49 PM #27
When I thought about it, I wondered if Snape actually did betray Dumbledore. JK Rowling likes to put big surprises in her books, stuff you never would have seen coming. Well here's what I think she has in mind.

Snape killed Dumbledore in front of a few Death Eaters, and Harry, on Dumbledore's orders. Dumbledore says time and time again that death is far from the worst thing that can happen to someone (which goes against what Voldemort believes).

I think Snape made another Unbreakable Vow with Dumbledore that once Snape had fully gained Voldemort's confidence, which I would think killing Vodlemort's worst enemy in front of several witnesses would do, that he will then assist Harry in killing Voldemort when Snape is most needed. But I dont think Snape will reveal any of this until Harry has destroyed all the remaining Horcruxes, and has engaged in combat with the final peice of Voldemort's soul. And I bet at that moment Snape will do some kind of self-sacrificing thing where he gives his live in order to allow Harry to vanquish the Dark Lord, but something that allows Snape to live just long enough to tell Harry the whole story.
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2005-07-30, 6:14 PM #28
Well, I don't think Dumbledore would make Snape do an Unbreakable Vow, that's not his style. And they'd need a third person to do it.
But I think that Snape told Dumbledore about the Vow but perhaps couldn't tell him what it meant, because he was under the spell. I guess that's what they were argueing about, when Hagrid heard them and the end would've been that Dumbledore ordered Snape not to brake the Voe.
But considering Dumbledores reaction before Snape killed him he didn't suspect that Snape would really kill him.
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2005-07-30, 6:17 PM #29
I always thought Dumbledore's reaction totally conflicted with the character's persona JKR had built up throughout the series
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2005-07-30, 6:19 PM #30
I'm of the opinion Snape is still good.

Either that, or he's playing both sides purely for his own gain.
2005-07-30, 6:27 PM #31
Originally posted by Genki:
I always thought Dumbledore's reaction totally conflicted with the character's persona JKR had built up throughout the series

Same here. It just didn't seem right - arguably the greatest wizard of the age just croaking his last comeback and getting blown off his feet. How sad - and totally out of character. :(
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2005-07-30, 6:27 PM #32
[QUOTE=Duo Maxwell]who else thinks Harry is going to get his butt handed to him when he tries to go after Voldemorte and doesn't attend his 7th year?[/QUOTE]
he he he... I have a secret... ok. Actually, I was watching tv and I came across an interview with JKR. And it just so happens that she let slip that they do in fact return to Hogwarts. Oops.
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2005-07-30, 6:30 PM #33
Hey, I doubt it highly, but I wonder if anyone else considered (or maybe, hoped?) that Dumbledore would do something similar to Gandalf in LotR and return to life to help Harry? Somehow, I think it's really unlikely, thinking it's out of JKR's style (plus it would look like a rip-off of LotR), but I still wondered if the thought had occurred to anyone else.
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2005-07-30, 6:37 PM #34
Originally posted by Daft_Vader:
Hey, I doubt it highly, but I wonder if anyone else considered (or maybe, hoped?) that Dumbledore would do something similar to Gandalf in LotR and return to life to help Harry? Somehow, I think it's really unlikely, thinking it's out of JKR's style (plus it would look like a rip-off of LotR), but I still wondered if the thought had occurred to anyone else.

hmmm... maybe dumbly's spirit will be able to talk to harry in his head? This would make it different from lord of the rings, but then it would be like ben in star wars...
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2005-07-30, 6:56 PM #35
"Dumbledore.. why didn't you tell me? You told me Pettigrew betrayed and Voldemort murdered my parents!"
2005-07-30, 7:31 PM #36
Originally posted by Daft_Vader:
Hey, I doubt it highly, but I wonder if anyone else considered (or maybe, hoped?) that Dumbledore would do something similar to Gandalf in LotR and return to life to help Harry? Somehow, I think it's really unlikely, thinking it's out of JKR's style (plus it would look like a rip-off of LotR), but I still wondered if the thought had occurred to anyone else.


There are PRECIOUS few fantasy series' that can claim they didn't rip off LotR in one way or another.
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2005-07-30, 11:35 PM #37
Muggle studies is also a class...

And I tihnk Dumbledore's real reason for putting the freezing charm on Harry was because he knew he was going to die (or at least that something bad was going to happen) and he didn't want Harry to do anything that would alert the Death Eaters to his presence (ie- scream, attack them, etc...) and then die. hence Dumbledore also covering him with the invisibility cloak (there are way to many i's in the word invisibility)

I think I'm the only one here who thinks Snape is still bad. Of course, knowing JK Rowling, he probably isn't, but I'm still angry about Dumbledore's death and so I say he's bad. so there.

And she can't have them not return to Hogwarts in the last book. Granted, I don't kow how he's going to go after the Horocruxes and kill Voldemort while still at school, but did you honestly think that she can have them NOT attending Hogwarts in the last books? That's the constant.

I say that Draco will end up helping Harry somehow.
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2005-07-30, 11:49 PM #38
i haven't read any of the books... but ytmnd kinda ruined the big spoiler for me anyway

my cousin's girlfriend reads the HP books... maybe if i catch her with the new one i'll be tempted to pull a "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE"
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2005-07-31, 1:00 PM #39
hehe, This is the best SPOILER yet:

http://harrypotterisruined.ytmnd.com/

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2005-07-31, 2:11 PM #40
Originally posted by DrkJedi82:
my cousin's girlfriend reads the HP books... maybe if i catch her with the new one i'll be tempted to pull a "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE"


Hence your custom title.
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