*whine* Why does it suck so much @$$? */whine*

I used to think it was so awesome and was actually going to pay the insanely large amount of money to acquire it...then I downloaded a free trial.

It is so tedious, and unresponsive. Why the heck does it make me do all of this stupid crap when all I wanna do is draw a picture? Seriously though, is there any image-making program that isn't so damn annoying?

(NOTE: I do realize what Photoshop stands for.)

Help me.

EDIT: Yeah, this is pretty messed up.

[This message has been edited by Master Tonberry (edited May 19, 2004).]

Um, photoshop is probably the best graphics software availible. I suggest you learn how to use it before you start telling us how much it sucks. Try going through some Tutorials.

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It's hard to learn at first but once you get more familiar with it, it's the best program there is.

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Are you saying this because you truly believe this, or because someone told you to say this?

It is not a matter of me not being able to read what the stupid little captions say, the fact remains that Photoshop is insanely anal and is perhaps the least conductive environment for creativity.

EDIT: Basically I wanna know if anyone has any experience with a more flexible and fluid image-editing program. Also, has anyone used Alias Sketchbook Pro, and would you recommend it?



[This message has been edited by Master Tonberry (edited May 19, 2004).]

Maybe you just dont have the brain capacity to deal with such a simplistic program?

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don't whine because you didn't take the time to learn the program.

I started at the same place you did a year or ... a while ago lol. But it really doesn't take that long to learn. Try some tutorials.

Here's a link. There's a ton on deviantart.
http://resources.deviantart.com/tutorials/ps/

And I don't understand by tedious and unresponsive. You pick the paintbrush tool, pick your brush and color, and then start painting. What is so tedious about that? Do realize that the program isn't going to make you an artist in any way. So, if you find you can't draw at all in real life, don't expect to be able to with photoshop. Just FYI, some people missed that memo.

If you are an artist in any sense of the word, it shouldn't take more than a few hours to pick up the basics. If you want something faster than that, I know there are free versions of opencanvas that you can get. I mean free as in the program used to be free, so those versions are still around. In fact, I have one if you'd like it (email me @ the_dj_glitch@hotmail.com)

Other than that, all I can say is you should be trying to learn the program instead of whining about it.



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I find nothing more flexible and fluid than photoshop. PSPs gui seems clunky. Gimp just isn't my thing. I use corel painter 8, too, which is made for just drawing (no other powerful image editing). You may want to try the trial version of that.

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Also, I'm curious as to what type of art you're attempting. Are you just trying to draw a picture? Or are you looking to manipulate photos, do vector graphics, or something else?

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Thank you. I am quite artistically inclined, and I'll send you an email about that there program.

Basically my frustration lies in my experience with a program like Macromedia Flash which I love to death with the oppressive environment that Photoshop has. Flash takes at least some time to learn too, but this process is enjoyable and rewarding. Photoshop gives me the sense that it is bloated with millions of pop-ups, and little substance. Also, when I tried making the first image, for some stupid reason the preset colour palette was black-and-white, as opposed to what I would normally expect. When I used Jasc Paintshop it was not at all ridiculous.

If no one saw what I added in a previous edit to my post, or no one has answered yet, has anyone used Alias Sketchbook Pro, and what kind of impression did it leave? Would you recommend it?


[This message has been edited by Master Tonberry (edited May 19, 2004).]

I'm not really planning on manipulating any photos, but I am interested in just drawing pictures...and possibly adding colour/editing pencil drawings that were scanned, etc...

I've not used that program.
The reason photoshop may seem complex and clunky is because it has a ton of features you will never use if all you're gonna do is draw. If that's all you're interested in (which is why I asked what kind of art you're doing), then it definetly isn't for you. It'd be a big waste of so much money to only use 15% of the program.

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Do you have a drawing tablet?

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I don't yet. But I'm planning on getting one sometime soon, maybe.

I do have a scanner, paper, and pencils though.

I used to dislike photoshop because 1) i didn't have it and 2) i thought it was too complex for what i needed

however, after getting it for christmas (buy it online...), i was quite happy with it. It makes digital painting, coloring, editing, drawing, designing... etc, a whole lot easier, with a lot more options (that i am not even halfway through learning)...

it's quite worth it!

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PSP > PS

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Sorry dude, which is which?

Paint Shop Pro > Photoshop

But we all KNOW that MS Paint > *



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[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited May 19, 2004).]

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PSP = Paint Shop Pro
PS = Photoshop

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Yes. This website's backgrounds and such were all made using PSP(PaintshopPro): www.tednation.tk Fear it.

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I find PSP much easier to use then PS. Anything anyone can do in PS, I always seem to do is PSP. I even enter PS contests useing PSP and MS Paint.

I don't like the cut out tool and selection tool in PS or PSP, so I cut things out in paint and then do the rest in PSP . I'm old fashion like that.

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But the selection tools in PS are identical to the ones in paint, except they have the option for antialiasing...

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[This message has been edited by BobTheMasher (edited May 19, 2004).]

You're talking about Macromedia Flash, why don't you look into Macromedia Fireworks I believe it's called. It's Macromedia's response to Photoshop. I've played in it only a few times, I prefer Photoshop. But comming from Flash, you might find the interface more familiar at the very least.

I can't tell you anything really that hasn't already been said. It takes time. It takes expirimentation. It takes ALOT of poking about. I started about 4 years ago (Jeeze... I hadn't realized it'd been that long...). My first graphics blew chunks for lack of a better expression. They literally consisted of black backgrounds, a lightsaber, some text with outter glow, and a logo. In 6 months, I was vastly more competent in the program than I was before. By the end of a year, I felt like I had mostly mastered it for what I was doing, but knew there were tons of things I still hadn't touched on. Today, I feel about the same. Only the things that I haven't touched on are far fewer. I can do almost anything with a given image given enough time. It might not be perfect, but it'll be as good as I can manage.

Just start playing around with it. That's the best advise you're going to get. It won't come easily, not at all.

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Although that layout is loaded with style, it's damn near impossible to read anything. Black and white is awesome, but being able to accurately see the content of the website is also awesome...

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I use PSP for most stuff, I like the fact it doesn't take ages to load, so I can use it as an image viewer too.

PSP isn't as powerful as PS, but the stuff it can do are a lot easier to do than in PS.

How dare you insult my baby?

I've used PS. I've used PSP. I've used CorelDraw. I've used ClarisWorks. I've used Alias Sketchbook. PS wins.

You can do anything you want in PS, you just can't expect it to do things for you. That's what PSP is for. Granted, the GUI has been butchered in every version after 5.5, but I guess that's why I still use 5.5. Oh, and 5.5 still lets me respect myself when I'm finished because Adobe wasn't trying to make it as user-friendly (read: adding millions of filters for lazy sobs that call throwing random filters together art) at that point.

PS is the most powerful image editing tool on the market, you just have to know how to use it. You, sir, obviously don't.

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... The fact that you do not know how to use Photoshop does not make it a bad program. Quite the opposite, probably..

Agreed. PSP is more a multitool for cheaper, whereas PS is more of a powerful image editing program. I use IrfanView and PSP5, ph33r my l33t skills. The only reason I use 5 is because it's not Warezed

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Photoshop is a great program.

The key to being able to use it is to know the interface. Once you learn how to use one Adobe app, you can quickly apply what you know to the rest of them.

Macromedia's MX line is similar in how all the interfaces are very similar-- once you learn one MX program, you practically learn them all and can dive right in.

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Then you should be using Adobe Illustrator. Drawing is basically vector art. You can do *some* vector drawing using photoshop's pen tool, but it's nothing compared to Illustrator, which is specifically intended for the task.

I use photoshop for special effects, web images, and doing photo touchups. Illustrator is for vector art, Photoshop is for raster art. They are not interchangable. Although you can use photoshop filters in illustrator, I never do it b/c it rasterizes my art before i'm ready for it.

There is a program that can convert raster images (scanned stuff) to vector art. It's called Adobe Streamline, and it's gotten me out of many a tight situation.

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Very true! I love that, though.

But I wouldn't recommend he get vector graphic program. He may still want to just draw, which would be only complicated with a vector only program. PS is capable of vectors, in case you need it. It's by far not the most ideal vector program, but at least it's there.

As far as psp/ps, I think that it comes down to mostly preference. With enough skill and understanding of either prog, they are capable of about the same thing.

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Photoshop is an amazingly powerful program once you know what you're doing. Just be patient. I used to spend 2-3 hours on a simple image manipulation or composition because I wanted it to look perfect. Patience is the key

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See if you like The Gimp. Version 2.x is a major improvment over version 1.x both in look / feel and functionallity.

Works on Windows, Mac, and Linux.

It's free, so don't worry about any investments (other than a few minutes). Look here for screenshots.
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[This message has been edited by Mystic0 (edited May 19, 2004).]

I still need to try that...

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Sorry, I had to do it. Yeah I think tednation is cool, but the site is very hard to read.

And Jin, I'll just let you know that there is a new site in the works.

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Yea, it isn't unusual for me right now to sometimes spend a hour tweaking one little effect to see what will make it better. Patience is most definately key.

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