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Red Cross debit cards: How are they being used?
2005-09-12, 7:48 PM #1
http://www.nydailynews.com/06-11-2004/news/col/widdicombe/story/345034p-294601c.html

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Profiteering ghouls have been using debit cards distributed in the wake of Hurricane Katrina - intended to buy essentials for evacuated families - in luxury-goods stores as far away as Atlanta.

"We've seen three of the cards," said a senior employee of the Louis Vuitton store at the Lenox Square Mall in affluent Buckhead, who asked not to be named. "Two I'm certain have purchased; one actually asked if she could use it in the store. This has been since Saturday."

The distinctive white cards were distributed by the Red Cross and the Federal Emergency Management Agency and carry a value of up to $2,000.

"It doesn't say anything on the card other than alcohol, tobacco and firearms cannot be purchased with it," the store employee told me. "There's nothing legally that prevents us from taking it, unfortunately. Other than morally, it's wrong."

The source told me that the two women who had made purchases with the card each bought a signature monogrammed Louis Vuitton handbag in the $800 range.

"They didn't look destitute by any stretch. You would never have said, 'They must be one of the evacuees.' … The one that I dealt with yesterday was 20. She'll be 21 next month." The source described the reaction of other store-keepers in the mall - which includes luxury brands Ferragamo, Burberry, Judith Leiber and Neiman Marcus - as "outrage."

"It doesn't say anywhere on there, but it would have to be a good amount to be shopping in here," the source said with a dark chuckle.


Nice to know my tax dollars are helping these people get on with their lives by purchasing essential items like $800 purses.
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2005-09-12, 7:52 PM #2
I've never been a fan of giving cash in cases like this for the very reason that people abuse the system.
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2005-09-12, 7:56 PM #3
Isn't humanity a kick in the teeth?
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2005-09-12, 8:08 PM #4
I think humanity needs a kick in the teeth.
2005-09-12, 8:09 PM #5
Originally posted by THRAWN:
Red Cross debit cards: How are they being used?


Ummm...to open locked doors?
2005-09-12, 8:21 PM #6
OUCH
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2005-09-12, 8:22 PM #7
Ahahahahaha!
Think while it's still legal.
2005-09-12, 8:34 PM #8
What an idiotic plan!! God the government and the red cross are insanly stupid. Did they not think of this?! Arghhhhh they could have simply handed out food stamps or even (gasp) food...but no. They give people a credit with $2000 on it. I'm surprised they even mentioned that you couldnt buy alcohol with it and there arent a bunch of drunks all over new orleans right now.
2005-09-12, 10:15 PM #9
The stores are at least partially responsible too. There may not be anything preventing them from accepting those cards for luxury items, but I really doubt that they're required to do so.
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2005-09-12, 10:30 PM #10
Indeed
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2005-09-12, 10:58 PM #11
I haven't seen any come through our local Wal-Mart. Just the Red Cross vouchers last week, and those were being used appropriately. While I agree stores should do something about the debit cards being used inappropriately, it's management that's going to make that decision. I know nobody at our store has said anything about what we should and shouldn't accept in good conscience. Of course, Wal-Mart is always seeking profits and won't make those distinctions if there's money to be made. Nonetheless, my point is that your average cashier won't deny a sale out of fear of repurcussions from management for losing potential profits. Management of these stores needs to step up and be leaders, giving proper instructions to their employees.
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2005-09-13, 3:14 AM #12
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
']Ummm...to open locked doors?


You, in all honesty, have no idea how true that is.

My mom works for the Red Cross, and says that the volunteers constantly forget about the fact you need a key to get in. *sigh*
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2005-09-13, 5:13 AM #13
Originally posted by THRAWN:
http://www.nydailynews.com/06-11-2004/news/col/widdicombe/story/345034p-294601c.html



Nice to know my tax dollars are helping these people get on with their lives by purchasing essential items like $800 purses.



Tax Dollars? Red Cross runs on donations, not tax money.
2005-09-13, 3:14 PM #14
Would there be a way for Red Cross to know what was purchased through these cards?
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2005-09-13, 6:02 PM #15
Originally posted by Echoman:
Would there be a way for Red Cross to know what was purchased through these cards?

Definitly.
2005-09-13, 8:28 PM #16
I'm sure glad I never donated to the red cross. :rolleyes:
2005-09-13, 8:31 PM #17
If someone tried to buy a TV in K-mart with one of those, I would have strangled them, then beat them to death with said TV.
2005-09-13, 8:47 PM #18
Originally posted by Rob:
If someone tried to buy a TV in K-mart with one of those, I would have strangled them, then beat them to death with said TV.


I think we all should do that. But you ever look at your average New Orleaninan? It was the murder capital of the US in 2003 for a reason. You need some heavier equipment.
2005-09-14, 10:58 PM #19
Ok, I take back what I said earlier. Today at Wal-Mart a customer comes through with something along the lines of an $1800 Red Cross check. She buys a PS2 and a bunch of games with it. One of our CSMs checked her out. She (the CSM) was really furious afterwards and almost in tears. They also had to give her a gift card for the remaining balance on the check, as we had to keep the check. The problem is now that the customer can go and buy liquor and cigarettes and firearms with the gift card, as now there is no way of telling whether or not it came from the remaining amount on the check.

She had to let this customer buy the stuff even though she didn't want to. If she had tried to stop it, management would most likely have coached her (which can and frequently does lead to being fired). This just burns me up. And another thing, the Red Cross doesn't actually pay for the check. Wal-Mart is paying the balance as part of their $20 million donation towards hurricane relief. While I normally wouldn't see this as a problem (It's not like Wal-Mart can't afford it), this is a customer taking unfair advantage of not only the store and company, but of funds that should be going towards a better cause, such as food/clothing and rebuilding. NOT a PS2.

:mad:
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2005-09-14, 11:43 PM #20
Originally posted by Ric_Olie:
Ok, I take back what I said earlier. Today at Wal-Mart a customer comes through with something along the lines of an $1800 Red Cross check. She buys a PS2 and a bunch of games with it. One of our CSMs checked her out. She (the CSM) was really furious afterwards and almost in tears. They also had to give her a gift card for the remaining balance on the check, as we had to keep the check. The problem is now that the customer can go and buy liquor and cigarettes and firearms with the gift card, as now there is no way of telling whether or not it came from the remaining amount on the check.

She had to let this customer buy the stuff even though she didn't want to. If she had tried to stop it, management would most likely have coached her (which can and frequently does lead to being fired). This just burns me up. And another thing, the Red Cross doesn't actually pay for the check. Wal-Mart is paying the balance as part of their $20 million donation towards hurricane relief. While I normally wouldn't see this as a problem (It's not like Wal-Mart can't afford it), this is a customer taking unfair advantage of not only the store and company, but of funds that should be going towards a better cause, such as food/clothing and rebuilding. NOT a PS2.

:mad:


this might be a tad naive but perhaps she wanted to make her bored children happy?
2005-09-15, 12:40 AM #21
Perhaps, but the releif money wasn't intended to be used on luxory items. Food, clothing, water, shelter, etc. Things that are necessary for one's survival.
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2005-09-15, 5:17 AM #22
Originally posted by Nytro:
this might be a tad naive but perhaps she wanted to make her bored children happy?


PS2...what is it now? $150 or so?

Handheld game - $10.

With the PS2 you also have to factor in a tv and power.
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