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Scottish troops do a bayonet charge in Iraq
2004-05-25, 12:58 AM #1
And kick some serious rear.

10 troops charged what seems to be 100 men after they were amubushed, and not only lost none of their own, but killed 35 or so of the enemy

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=404&id=559592004

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2004-05-25, 1:05 AM #2
"The Women from Hell"

Old WW1 (I think) saying about Scottish troops. Hehe.

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2004-05-25, 3:24 AM #3
FREEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!!![/i]

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2004-05-25, 3:55 AM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:
FREEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!!![/i]

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2004-05-25, 3:55 AM #5
hhahah, score one for teh scots

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2004-05-25, 4:08 AM #6
Oh!
A scot Scotsman clad in kilt left the bar one evening fair
And one could tell by how he walked he'd drunk more than his share
He staggered on until he could no longer keep his feet
Then stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street.

cho: Ring ding diddle diddle i de o
Ring di diddle i o
He stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street.

Later on two young and lovely girls just happened by,
And one says to the other with a twinkle in her eye
You see yon sleeping Scotsman who is young and handsome built
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath their kilt.

Ring ding diddle diddle i de o
Ring di diddle i o
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath their kilt.
They crept up to the sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Then lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold for them to view beneath his Scottish skirt
Ws nothing but what God had graced him with upon his birth

Ring ding diddle diddle i de o
Ring di diddle i o
There was nothing there but what God gave upon his birth

They marveled for a moment then one said we'd best be gone
But let's leave a present for our friend before we move along
They took a blue silk ribbon and they tied it in a bow
Around the bonnie spar that the Scot's lifted kilt did show

Ring ding diddle diddle i de o
Ring di diddle i o
Around the bonnie spar that the Scot's lifted kilt did show

The Scotsman woke to nature's call and stumbled toward a tree
Behind a bush he lifts his kilt and gawks at what he sees
Then in a startled voice he says to what's before his eyes
He said, "Lad I don't know where you've been but I see you won
first prize"

Ring ding diddle diddle i de o
Ring di diddle i o
He said, "Lad I don't know where you've been but I see you won
first prize"


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2004-05-25, 4:20 AM #7
I just played that song excellent
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2004-05-25, 5:31 AM #8
I am going to become Scottish after reading this.
2004-05-25, 5:56 AM #9
Now wearing a kilt can be cool!

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2004-05-25, 5:58 AM #10
I am of Scottish descent. Are you?

[This message has been edited by money•bie (edited May 25, 2004).]
2004-05-25, 6:12 AM #11
I'm Irish. ):<

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2004-05-25, 6:18 AM #12
Oh yeah, I'm Irish, too. And German. And French. And Massassian.

Being the latter makes me sad, as it should everyone.

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2004-05-25, 7:41 AM #13
Massassian isn't a race, its an infection!

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2004-05-25, 7:44 AM #14
I'm of 50% British decent, and 50% German descent.

cut me down the middle to separate the two. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-05-25, 9:15 AM #15
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SithNazgul:
And kick some serious rear.

10 troops charged what seems to be 100 men after they were amubushed, and not only lost none of their own, but killed 35 or so of the enemy

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=404&id=559592004

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We were talking about this in cadets yesterday - fantastic stuff.

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2004-05-25, 9:32 AM #16
Turks still hold the title of best bayonet chargers.

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2004-05-25, 10:19 AM #17
I've got the Irish Flu. Does that count?

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2004-05-25, 10:38 AM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SAJN_Master:
FREEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!!![/i]

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I was so thinking that the second I saw the topic to this thread.

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2004-05-25, 10:48 AM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Roach:
Turks still hold the title of best bayonet chargers.

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Turks are the best when it comes to anything with sharp objects.

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2004-05-25, 2:16 PM #20
OMG - BRUTALITY! BRUTALITY!!!!

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2004-05-25, 2:26 PM #21
This makes me quite proud of my ancestry.

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2004-05-25, 3:21 PM #22
Well gather round people
and I'll tell ye a story,
a story so auld
frae a time long gone by.
It comes frae the highlands
where the wind blows the heather.
To think of it now,
brings a trae te me eye...

Well the romans invaded
what's now called Great Britian.
But the Scots were so thugh,
they could not take all.
But they captured the English
and used them as slaves,
to toil day and night
to build Hadrian's Wall...

[Chorus]
With tartans a sailin'
pipers a whailin'
laddies and lassies
appart frae the crowd.
When the fightin' is done,
the battle is won,
there we'll be standin'...
Scottish and Proud,
oh yea we Scottish and Proud.

So if you're a fighter
and scrappin' a lot,
You'd best shy away
if you're scrappin' a Scot.
Wi' one ****in' blow
yer head will be squished,
Then he'll let his scottie dog
lick the blood from his fist...

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2004-05-25, 3:54 PM #23
I have a Scottish friend who's very proud of his heritage. He always talks about how the scots fought in wars and things like that. This is definetely something he'll want to hear about, if he hasn't already.

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2004-05-25, 4:30 PM #24
I happen to know this guy, who happens to be Scottish and all, and do you know what? He doesn't think the nationality of the soldiers is a big deal and doesn't know why some people are making a big deal out of this. Go figure...
2004-05-25, 6:17 PM #25
You bled with Wallace.....now bleed with me

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2004-05-25, 9:49 PM #26
I'm Scottish on both of my parent's sides with a bit of Irish thrown in for good measure.

I think it's funny that you'll usually only hear Americans talk about "Oh... I'm 33% Dutch and 22% Native American and 85% African"

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2004-05-25, 9:53 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Schming:
I think it's funny that you'll usually only hear Americans talk about "Oh... I'm 33% Dutch and 22% Native American and 85% African"

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I'm missing the funny...

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2004-05-26, 12:08 AM #28
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You bled with Wallace.....now bleed with me

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2004-05-26, 1:53 AM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Schming:
I'm Scottish on both of my parent's sides with a bit of Irish thrown in for good measure.

I think it's funny that you'll usually only hear Americans talk about "Oh... I'm 33% Dutch and 22% Native American and 85% African"

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It also amuses me terribly when someone is described as 'African-American'. That makes no sense. American is a nationality, African is..well..it's just a continent. It isn't even an ethnicity as there are several different ethnicities across Africa. It also amuses me when those from the Carribean are also included as African-Americans. The nationality is 'American' and the ethnicity is (possibly) 'Negro'.
Putting the two together may or may not be useful for databases and things, but at least do it properly. Not that anyone is said to be African-British or anything, though.
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2004-05-26, 11:29 AM #30
I utterly concur Mort. I wrote a short essay thing [well as part of an multiple-essaylet exam] for my soc102 course about that actually, well actual topic was Affirmative Action.

But in it i talked about exactly that. Like i know 'hyphenated-Americans' who think hyphenation is one of the stupidest things ever, they'll tell you they're every bit as American as anyone else in the US.

Sometime try calling someone Japanese-American who actually hails from Korea, yes, /that'll/ really make them love you and think you're enlightened and politically correct i'm sure.

For that matter, how many damn generations has it been for the majority of people since they even had ancestors in their hyphen-country, or even if they know or care about any of those ancestors.

Now admittedly that's not true of everyone surely. I'm rather fond of being predominantly irish/scottish and then english as the rest. It allows me to check 'Atlantic Islander' on those forms, and to demand reperations from any British people i meet for all the time they oppressed my ancestors. Do nae be hatin'.. or something.

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2004-05-26, 11:33 AM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bobbert006:
OMG - BRUTALITY! BRUTALITY!!!!

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A bayonet isn't designed to be brutal in death - the whole point of it having bloodlines is that you can ram it in, pull it out and pain is kept to a momentary minimum - a good stab and you're sorted. The Geneva Convention (I'm pretty sure it was that or another one of those 'rules of war' documents) stated that if death is not instant, it is humane, and acceptable, with the bayonet inserted, to fire a shot and kill your opponent. So yeah, the media is stupid when it says bayonet charges are inhumane - they're meant to kill with speed and a minimum of pain, and have contingencies like the one detailed above if things don't quite go right.

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2004-05-26, 11:40 AM #32
I so totally have to post this link, it's truly amazing.

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/ch7.htm

I especially adore this quotation [emphasis mine]:
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">(5) The bayonet has many nonfighting uses, such as to probe for mines, to cut vegetation, and to use for other tasks where a pointed or cutting tool is needed. </font>



And this i think is by far my favourite diagram:
Figure 7-32. Optional use of the entrenching tool against rifle with fixed bayonet.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">b. An optional use of entrenching tool against a rifle with fixed bayonet is for the attacker to lunge to the stomach of the defender (Figure 7-32, Step 1).

(1) The defender steps to the outside of the line of attack at 45 degrees to avoid the weapon. He then turns his body and strikes downward onto the attacking arm (on the radial nerve) with the blade of the entrenching tool (Figure 7-32, Step 2).

(2) He drops his full body weight down with the strike, and the force causes the attacker to collapse forward. The defender then strikes the point of the entrenching tool into the jugular notch, driving it deeply into the attacker (Figure 7-32, Step 3).</font>

[http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/image1091.jpg]

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the Ever popular Figure 7-36. Three-foot stick against rifle with fixed bayonet:
[http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/image1095.jpg]

Figure 7-37. Thrusting with 6-foot pole:
[http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/image1096.jpg]

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Note:
During high stress, small targets, such as the throat, may be difficult to hit. Good, large targets include the solar plexus and hip/thigh joint. </font>


Thank you, that is all.

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2004-05-26, 12:14 PM #33
love the shovel one dor.. hehehehe

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2004-05-26, 12:15 PM #34
Hmmm. Informative!

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2004-05-26, 12:28 PM #35
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Since a stick can be found almost anywhere, a soldier should know its uses as a field-expedient weapon. The stick is a versatile weapon; its capability ranges from simple prisoner control to lethal combat</font>
???

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2004-05-26, 12:55 PM #36
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It's amazing...sometimes, those prisoners...they're not the most willing group of people to listen to orders and instruments must be used to control them. Crazy isn't it?

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2004-05-26, 1:02 PM #37
It's not just a shovel, it's an Entrenching Tool. These things have serrations and blades and grommets and sprockets and woggles and..

Perhaps someone in the military can post a good picture of one, i can't find any that show it well.

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2004-05-26, 1:05 PM #38
[http://meineseite.i-one.at/ziering/buck/500/m9field.jpg]
M9 Field Knife, official bayonet of the U.S. Army.

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2004-05-26, 5:31 PM #39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Roach:
It's amazing...sometimes, those prisoners...they're not the most willing group of people to listen to orders and instruments must be used to control them. Crazy isn't it?

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But what are you doing taking prisoners if the best thing you've got to keep them in line is a stick?

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2004-05-26, 6:14 PM #40
Dear UK,

Give us Scotland plz

Thanks, America

PS keep CookedHaggis
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