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The EU wants control of the internet
2005-10-13, 4:32 PM #1
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,16559,1589967,00.html

The US did a lot of the development of what would become the internet in the early years, and now the EU wants the US to give them a portion of the control of the internet for practically nothing in return. Why should we do that? I have a hard time taking the EU's offer seriously. What makes them think they're entitled to anything?

If we don't comply, the EU is threatening to "split the internet apart", which is something that no one wants. We currently have a single unified planetary network, but the very notion of having it split into smaller networks by the EU if the EU doesn't get its way is something that will help no one and is a big step backward. Who taught these guys how to deal?

If the EU had contributed signifigantly to the creation of the internet, I would say that they were entitled to something. Otherwise, no.



discuss.
2005-10-13, 4:35 PM #2
nukes fix all the world's problems
Moo.
2005-10-13, 4:36 PM #3
They couldn't possibly break it apart. Major corporations would be all over them so fast it would be their downfall.

Not to mention, there would be a subnet that connects the two within days of it being torn apart.
2005-10-13, 4:37 PM #4
Look at who's making the biggest fuss.

China.

Brazil.

Russia.

Certain parts of the Middle-East.

...


In other words, if they made their own interweb.net it would get rid of all of the spammers, hackers, open proxies, open email redirects, totalitarianism and militant fanaticism left on the internet.

I openly embrace this.
2005-10-13, 4:40 PM #5
What have the EU done?

Ever heard of Tim Berners-Lee? He invented the web if that's not a major contribution to the internet I don't know what is.
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2005-10-13, 4:40 PM #6
I saw this last week on /. What really boils my socks is that Icann is a nonprofit organization that is more or less left alone by the government. All the name servers are privately owned. And the EU as a government wants control over private corporations? That, my friends, is just plain unethical and wrong. This is a great example of a situation in which the governments of the world need to bugger off and allow private industry to keep doing what is has been doing quite well for the last several years.

Besides, the Internet started as a project for the US Military. There is absolutely no reason that the rest of the world should control it. If they want control, they need to setup their own nameservers, not try to take over the ones that already exist.

The way I see it, this whole fiasco is little more than a power struggle among leaders that feel inadequate and need to prove that they're important.
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2005-10-13, 4:45 PM #7
This is stupid. But I can see it happening. I dunno, the EU is crap, so I hope they screw off and die.
D E A T H
2005-10-13, 4:51 PM #8
Originally posted by TheJkWhoSaysNi:
What have the EU done?

Ever heard of Tim Berners-Lee? He invented the web if that's not a major contribution to the internet I don't know what is.



the web is the most visible part of the internet, but its just one service among many.
The EU wants a slice of everything. That's what the problem is.
2005-10-13, 4:57 PM #9
The EU are going to upload skynet to the internet and kill it.
2005-10-13, 5:21 PM #10
Someone Call THE GOVERNATER!
2005-10-13, 6:01 PM #11
Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,16559,1589967,00.html

The US did a lot of the development of what would become the internet in the early years, and now the EU wants the US to give them a portion of the control of the internet for practically nothing in return. Why should we do that? I have a hard time taking the EU's offer seriously. What makes them think they're entitled to anything?

If we don't comply, the EU is threatening to "split the internet apart", which is something that no one wants. We currently have a single unified planetary network, but the very notion of having it split into smaller networks by the EU if the EU doesn't get its way is something that will help no one and is a big step backward. Who taught these guys how to deal?

If the EU had contributed signifigantly to the creation of the internet, I would say that they were entitled to something. Otherwise, no.



discuss.


...The World Wide Web was invented at CERN (and being a public institution, to no profit or benefit to themselves. it was just a byproduct of data transfer for experiments).
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2005-10-13, 6:44 PM #12
Given the EU's stupid policies, I 'd hate to see them controling the internet. No one should control the internet. How could you anyway?
2005-10-13, 7:31 PM #13
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
...The World Wide Web was invented at CERN (and being a public institution, to no profit or benefit to themselves. it was just a byproduct of data transfer for experiments).


They want more than just the Web. They want all aspects of the Internet at least partially in their control, and they don't deserve a bit of it.
D E A T H
2005-10-13, 8:02 PM #14
The is too big for any one... its the world in a grasp... now here is my question... is there like a giant server where all ISP connect to and all their clients get to it through there... or I have no clue :confused: ?
Nothing to see here, move along.
2005-10-13, 8:06 PM #15
Originally posted by SF_GoldG_01:
The is too big for any one... its the world in a grasp... now here is my question... is there like a giant server where all ISP connect to and all their clients get to it through there... or I have no clue :confused: ?


A group of private individuals who own backbones and DNS servers. Basically the EU wants to own private businesses that are located in the US.
D E A T H
2005-10-13, 8:06 PM #16
Originally posted by SF_GoldG_01:
The is too big for any one... its the world in a grasp... now here is my question... is there like a giant server where all ISP connect to and all their clients get to it through there... or I have no clue :confused: ?


Computers connect through their ISP to the hierarchy of DNS servers, which know what computers have the websites on them. The internet is just a giant, world-wide network of computers.
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2005-10-13, 8:07 PM #17
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
...The World Wide Web was invented at CERN (and being a public institution, to no profit or benefit to themselves. it was just a byproduct of data transfer for experiments).

The WWW is just one part of the Internet...
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2005-10-13, 8:21 PM #18
the only reason someone else should take some control of the interweb is because there's too much beauracracy in the US for the internet to flourish the way it should. some counties have 40x the bandwidth for the same price as we in the west do.
quit the ****ing bickering and give me my bandwidth for christ sakes already!
2005-10-13, 8:24 PM #19
Originally posted by A_Big_Fat_CoW:
nukes fix all the world's problems


Nothin' a good nuke can't solve.
2005-10-13, 8:26 PM #20
[QUOTE=Darth Evad]the only reason someone else should take some control of the interweb is because there's too much beauracracy in the US for the internet to flourish the way it should. some counties have 40x the bandwidth for the same price as we in the west do.
quit the ****ing bickering and give me my bandwidth for christ sakes already![/QUOTE]

Dude, if you think it's bad in the US, think about in the union of over 35 countries together all trying to get their wants and needs taken care of. If we should give it to anyone, it should be Japan, but we're not anyways. This is why it's PRIVATIZED business.
D E A T H
2005-10-13, 8:56 PM #21
I don't see anything good that can come of this
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2005-10-13, 9:26 PM #22
[QUOTE=Darth Evad]the only reason someone else should take some control of the interweb is because there's too much beauracracy in the US for the internet to flourish the way it should. some counties have 40x the bandwidth for the same price as we in the west do.
quit the ****ing bickering and give me my bandwidth for christ sakes already![/QUOTE]

I'm sure you wouldn't agree with the political policies of MANY of the countries that have such access.
2005-10-13, 10:04 PM #23
So now someone wants to own the internet?

That should be me.

Or more seriously, no one should give a f***. You haven't even build your network which can hold out against a nuclear attack!
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2005-10-14, 12:29 AM #24
Originally posted by TheJkWhoSaysNi:
What have the EU done?

Ever heard of Tim Berners-Lee? He invented the web if that's not a major contribution to the internet I don't know what is.



Is Tim an Alias for Al Gore?
2005-10-14, 1:12 AM #25
EU is just a big windbag. I'm very surprised if this leads to anything at all.

I haven't been aware of any serious problems with Internet that would require any changes. And like so many people here have already suggested, if problems arise, maybe a few nukes to strategic US locations would solve them... :rolleyes:
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2005-10-14, 5:19 AM #26
No no no, I really hope something comes of this. Since the Internet is controlled by private organizations the US government couldn't legally comply even if they wanted to. Would there really be a big loss to the Internet if we lost Russia, China and Brazil?
2005-10-14, 5:37 AM #27
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Would there really be a big loss to the Internet if we lost Russia, China and Brazil?


Of course. Then www would have to be renamed nwww, like not world wide web. Or perhaps pwww, like partially world wide web.

EDIT: And if you read that article more carefully, in a proper historical light, you would notice EU only wants to do what it does the best: Found a new totally useless office that employs useless officials with overly big salaries, who never listen to anybody but other useless officials with equally bloated salaries. All paid by tax payers who have no idea they are paying the salaries of those good-for-nothing officials. That's EU at its best. So, I wouldn't worry too much.
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2005-10-14, 6:44 AM #28
* US sets mode: -o EU
* US sets mode: -v EU
"We came, we saw, we conquered, we...woke up!"
2005-10-14, 6:46 AM #29
haha!!!!
2005-10-14, 7:26 AM #30
Originally posted by Jedigreedo:
* US sets mode: -o EU
* US sets mode: -v EU


Didn't we do that a long time ago? :p
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2005-10-14, 8:07 AM #31
Great, now "we" are becoming antisocial irrational imperialists as well.
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2005-10-14, 9:16 AM #32
Originally posted by Tenshu:
Great, now "we" are becoming antisocial irrational imperialists as well.

You'll get used to it.
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2005-10-14, 10:26 AM #33
We'll whine for a bit, then go back to drinking <regional beverage> and eating our <regional delicacy>.

US: 0.2
EU: 0
Bueraucracy: Several million.
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2005-10-14, 10:34 AM #34
Originally posted by Tenshu:
Great, now "we" are becoming antisocial irrational imperialists as well.


Becoming?
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2005-10-14, 10:43 AM #35
I saw the suggestion on /. yesterday that the simplest thing would be to make ICANN answerable to no one instead of the government. Really I think it would be pretty bad to allow countries like China, North Korea, and UAE to control it, given that they only want control to keep their citizens out of the loop.

Granted the US does censor (in the sense of bring legal action against) certain porn sites, hacker sites, etc. But a lot of that is exaggerated and hopefully will die down. The US's free speech laws are certainly more free than other countries. We allow Nazi/racist speech unlike many European countries, I'm pretty sure graphic pictures are censored here though.
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2005-10-14, 10:56 AM #36
[QUOTE=Bounty Hunter 4 hire]I I'm pretty sure graphic pictures are censored here though.[/QUOTE]

Wanna google the word pr0n?
2005-10-14, 11:28 AM #37
I mean graphic in the sense of gory etc. I think magazines in the EU have more leeway than US magazines do when it comes to that.
Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....
2005-10-14, 1:35 PM #38
But we have Amsterdam.
幻術
2005-10-14, 2:14 PM #39
The internet was fist conceived at CERN. The EU nor the US had anything to do with it.
2005-10-14, 2:28 PM #40
Originally posted by TheJkWhoSaysNi:
What have the EU done?

Ever heard of Tim Berners-Lee? He invented the web if that's not a major contribution to the internet I don't know what is.


And I bet IE still crashes on him. And he gets lots of spam. And pop ups.

Though I gotta admit, inventing the internet must be a great pick up line. "Hey baby, I invented the world wide web. And I'm not Al Gore."
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