I thought the first 50 minutes were actually really good. Reminiscent of older shows, though not better. They finally got their act together.

****SPOILERS OMFG SPOILERS U WLL DI AL0N SPOILERS*****

I look at the time. It's 8:50. Ugh. They're going to ruin it...
Minute 50-55: Ok, Starfleet doesn't answer, nothing is in orbit... I think I knew what happened. 1940's fightercraft. Theory: confirmed. They've gone back in time.
Last sequence: Germans. They have Archer. "How is he? He is badly burned." bit. They show archer. Theory 2: confirmed. German nurse. German officer. German officer. Alien dressed up as a german officer, ok, all norma-::doubletake::

*sigh* There it is.

What did you think? Anyone recognize the species? I thought it looked unbelievably like Thrawn...

dud: "Well.. The bad news is that I foresaw they were going to ruin it. The good news is I think I recognize the race."
Dad: "Really? What are they?"
Dud: "Well... that's the other bad news. He is Grand Admiral Thrawn... from Star Wars."

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[16:38] Correction: dick tracy was a real man
[16:38] happydud: Actually...
[16:38] happydud: He wasn't.
[16:38] happydud: hehe..

[This message has been edited by happydud (edited May 26, 2004).]

You were joking about Thrawn right? I mean, if you weren't...wow.

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"This thread is still alive? Someone should kill it."

Give me a day or so to find a picture. It might take a little while for one to pop up on the net.. but I'm checking the startrek.com site now.

edit- Hah! The startrek.com site is DOWN. I think that many many fans are in complete confusion right now, and seeking answers.

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[16:38] Correction: dick tracy was a real man
[16:38] happydud: Actually...
[16:38] happydud: He wasn't.
[16:38] happydud: hehe..

[This message has been edited by happydud (edited May 26, 2004).]

Yep, its finally happened. Star Trek has completed the long sloping devolution into Star Wars. Welcome to hell.

Actully, I dont consider "Enterprise" to be Star Trek. Its not . . . Star-Trekkish enough, so to speak...

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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.
:wq

Ok, so I was exaggerating a little, but it does look like an old, wrinkly Thrawn. The eyes in that shot aren't shown well, but they're a deep, bright red.

The majority concensus of the posts I've read about it think it's either an early Romulan (Which I kinda doubt, but it would be an decent intro into the Romulan War), or the mysterious character giving orders to the Suliban waaaay back in the first season. Notice how they kinda just... stopped talking about the Suliban? And with the end of the Xindi threat.. why not bring them back?

I think that it's related to the Suliban somehow, be it their commander from the future or one of the Suliban themselves.

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[16:38] Correction: dick tracy was a real man
[16:38] happydud: Actually...
[16:38] happydud: He wasn't.
[16:38] happydud: hehe..

[This message has been edited by happydud (edited May 26, 2004).]

Would someone like to count the episodes in all of the series in which time travel is involved?

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"This thread is still alive? Someone should kill it."

I'm so mad at Star Trek right now. I thought current storyline would be resolved tonight, but now I gotta wait till next season.
And why always WWII? Even freakin' Voyager had WWII episodes, and they were no where even near Earth. I hate time travel episodes!

The last episode of Enterprise I saw was the finale for season 1. How did he ever get out of that?

And maybe the time travel has to do with Scott "Dr. Sam Beckett" Bakula.

[This message has been edited by Jedi Legend (edited May 26, 2004).]

Way.

To.

Many.

Time travel.

Episodes.

*head explodes*

Although some people seem to believe that Enterprise ISN'T in the 1940's, and that there was some change in the timeline that caused WWII to drag on for... 300 more years?

Some people don't think very well late at night. These people are prime examples.

Oh- and Jedi Legend.. someone on another forum said (jokingly):





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[16:38] Correction: dick tracy was a real man
[16:38] happydud: Actually...
[16:38] happydud: He wasn't.
[16:38] happydud: hehe..

[This message has been edited by happydud (edited May 26, 2004).]

Was that the one where Archer and the Time Travel Nark made a home-made trans-dimensional communicator to "phone home".

My crackpot theory was that it was some weird Xindi Reptillian/Andorian hybrid...

And not only have they done tons of WW2 episodes, they've already done a WW2 where an alien is a Nazi officer episode. That episode of Voyager with the Hirogen taking over the ship, making them think they're in WW2 on the holodeck, etc.

I thought it was great, but the very end had me wondering what the **** was going on. Oh well, we'll know in three months.

I highly agree with Sine here. I like Enterprise a lot, and the last episode was cool, the end simply threw me off by surprise.

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/me agrees with Sine and Gebohq.

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The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.

I stopped watching it a LONG time ago. I personally thought it sucked big time. Voyager degraded into a Soap Opera set in space. Enterprise didn't seem to fit in terms of continuity. The style of the technology they use there doesn't look like something that would come before the Original Series. The budget of the Orginal Series is a factor here, granted, but it still doesn't fit to me.



I think I have an idea what race it could be.
Remember the Remans? Probably a long shot and they'll say it isn't, but the makeup looks VERY similar. At least to me.



An idea to mull over.

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Frogblast the Vent Core!

--End of Line--

That's one of the popular beliefs right now. It's possible. Like I may have said before, they could lead into the Romulan War with this.

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[16:38] Correction: dick tracy was a real man
[16:38] happydud: Actually...
[16:38] happydud: He wasn't.

[19:08] Dormouse: hi, my name's happydud and i'm passive-aggress.. SHUTUP!! *stabs nearby orphan*
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Enterprise was bad to start with...

they ruined continuty(sp?) by bringing alien species that were never encountered until picards era and then give some bull excuse as to why we never heard of them... recall if you will the episode where the ferangi maruaded the ship... we'll fight you in space, take back our ship and stolen items, but forget to take pictures or scan the vessel or even get a name of the species...

then they brought in the borg... supposdly it was the borg survivors from first contact, and these strang cyborgs escape earth... the excuse for not seeing them until picards era... the transmission will take 200 years to reach the destination, so it'll take over 200 years for the borg to know about earth.... yeah... good cover B&B.

the entire "temporal cold war" seemed like a good idea, but the fact that they destroyed a HUGE strip of florida, killed 7 million people and sent the ENT to a region of space that in current trek times has never been once mentioned or seen...

The entire excuse for the temporal cold war and the Xindi story arc was to have fun, kill people and do things that they could not do before in an effort to make the trek franchise better, they failed and now they are going to come up with some way of enterprise un-doing the last two seasons via some time travel episode which clears the timeline and makes it all right again... Voyager and DS9 and TNG all had their time travel episodes that were "un-done" at the end restroing the timeline and making the series go on... but "Un-doing" and entire season or two just seems wasteful.

Choosing to place the show before kirk in 2150's was an interesting idea, but i'm sure the only reason they decided to do this was to A) satisfy the fans about the romulan war and the offical founding of the federation and...

B) pull off a DS9.

One of the reasons that DS9 was so popular was the continuing story arc of the Dominion War, we never saw the federation in such gritty and dirty ways, it's always the peacefull solution, and it was a pleasant change to see massive war fleets of the federations best, to see the mighty and strong federation beaten like a lost puppy, literaly fighting for survival...The tension of the cardassian rebellion against their allies the Dominion, the turn off events that caused the federation to win... it was a side we never saw and was quite successfull, i know that before the war arc, i only caught DS9 a few times, once the war started I was watching it ever chance i got because there was times where one episode the federation fleet controls the station, and if you missed a few episodes you would not see the massive space battle, the federation retreat and the cardassian victory, then a few weeks later, they retake the station with the combined forces of the the klingons...

in short, ENT writers will more then likely just try and pull of a DS9 arc and are just trying to rake up the ratings... which is really sad and makes the show nothing compared to what it used to be. Granted they still have a few good episodes here and there... but overall, Enterprise is doomed to be the worst series in the franchise.

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Inter arma silent leges

Temporal Cold War & Xindi Arc are two different things. TCW was the Suliban, and it was with the Klingons. They haven't mentioned it in two seasons or so, however...

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[16:38] Correction: dick tracy was a real man
[16:38] happydud: Actually...
[16:38] happydud: He wasn't.

[19:08] Dormouse: hi, my name's happydud and i'm passive-aggress.. SHUTUP!! *stabs nearby orphan*
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they have mentioned the TCW recently, the evidence archer showed the Xindi to get them to stop the weapon involved a trip to the time traveling ensign room and an explantion of the suliban and cold war.

he also told them that they were being manipulated by beings from the future, the suliban are working for this mysterious person from the future, the xindi and temporal cold war must be linked somehow.

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I think they're jsut trying too hard.Some of the episodes are pretty good, but some of them just blow, hard. I 'm starting to see time travle as a bit of a cop out for everything now. It's almost like "We ****ed everything up, so let's go to the future to go back in time i fix everything so it never happened!!!" and that happens way too much.

I liked the premise of Enterprise, but I could tell that they'd run out of ideas really, really fast. They can only go so far with their warp 5 engine

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

we don't take kindly to your star trek foolishness around here

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What once was...

Speaking of DS9, I've been watching it on Spike religiously recently. I'd forgoten just how much I LOVED that series. DS9 was simply awesome. The only fault I've ever really had with it are some of the first episodes and the way they end. Serveral of them just seem to kinda stop, like there should be another 10 minutes or so, but they ran out of time so it got cut. Other than that, once the Dominion became involved, it got good.

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Frogblast the Vent Core!

--End of Line--

That's what I tell people.

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[16:38] Correction: dick tracy was a real man
[16:38] happydud: Actually...
[16:38] happydud: He wasn't.

[19:08] Dormouse: hi, my name's happydud and i'm passive-aggress.. SHUTUP!! *stabs nearby orphan*
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