Well, I've just been over to [url]www.nasa.gov[/url] webpage and stumbled across the "New lunar missions" area.

Now.. I'm not one to compliment Bush, but I think what he is doing is very cool. Our future is space, and I am glad that someone is finally saying so (it's very weird that it would be Bush)

It says that by the end of the next decade (within the next 15 years) we are schedualed to be BACK on the moon, for good.

"Before the end of the next decade, NASA astronauts will again explore the surface of the moon. And this time, we're going to stay, building outposts and paving the way for eventual journeys to Mars and beyond. There are echoes of the iconic images of the past, but it won't be your grandfather's moon shot."

I think this is extremely cool, and I am glad that after 30 something years, we are FINALLY going back... and to stay, it's very exciting.

They also say that they plan at least 2 lunar missions a year.

This is interesting. Especially for those of us that think the lunar landing was a hoax.

<_< >_>

Interesting. But I still don't think spending all that money is justified, considering there are still so many issues here on earth where the money could be better spent (I just lit the match - anyone got any kindling?)

But science isn't the way of God.

I have scenes of Angels and Demons and Deception Point flashing in my head.

Yeah yeah yeah, whatever.

Arguments like that would keep us on Earth until we no longer have the energy for space travel.

And then we eventually die. Maybe life will luck out and our remains will turn into enough oil to get the next intelligent life form out of the system before the sun explodes.

maybe they should have solved all the problems in england before coming to america..... right? The point is, there will ALWAYS be problems, and concidering that our deficit is higher than it has ever been... it's good to know that atleast SOME of it is being spent on the progress of mankind

(Note: I have no actual figures declaring that our deficit is the highest it has ever been or if it is even spelled correctly... I was exaggerating)

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks this.. it is actually kind of insulting for those who went and for the people who have died and nearly died to get us there (Apollo 1 & the crew of Apollo 12 & 13)

Cool!

I beg to differ.

Our future is solving the problems we have here, on our planet, then exploring space.

But at the rate we're sorting out our problems, we'll never get back to the moon.

Oh. Freaking. Well.

Accept the idea that space exploration for this race, may just be a pipe dream.

...they were killed because they threatened to tell people about the hoax

duh

Ha ha ha ha.

That was a good one, you crack me up.

Seriously man, comedy gold. Never fail to deliver.



No, you accept the idea that solving all the world's problems may just be a pipe dream.

Its all about competition. We went to the moon before to beat the Russians. Now the Chinese have a space program and have said they are working towards lunar missions, so now we want to go back too!

[QUOTE=Rogue Leader]Its all about competition. We went to the moon before to beat the Russians. Now the Chinese have a space program and have said they are working towards lunar missions, so now we want to go back too![/QUOTE]

I seriously think very few real, important people care about China and what they do. Apart from our myriad economic ties, to the fact that they really don't do anything, I don't know if they are a competetor...

No, space has possibilities. I think maybe they will try drilling for oil? You know bush, lolz. (obvious joke). But anyway, apart from those "blue team" nutjobs, I don't think anyone sees China as an adversary.

Rob, how many times are we going to have to try to convince you that space exploration is a good thing... seriously man, get some perspective.

That's nice. They should also centre on finding an alternative fuel source. Because when we run out of oil, millions will die. And that's only, what, 30 years away? Maybe even less. Much less.

I remember back in the 60's when people had the same complaints - "Why goto space when we need to fix the problems here!"

The people at NASA tried telling the protestors that even if NASA was abolished, the money was not going to help the people in any way.

Shhhh... you are using logic. Don't let them learn of its ways, less they start using it to their own misguided ends!

Also, as we all know, active research on alternative fuel sources are taking strong hits from nasa funding

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]I seriously think very few real, important people care about China and what they do. Apart from our myriad economic ties, to the fact that they really don't do anything, I don't know if they are a competetor...
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Guess my quote didn't come off nearly as sarcastic as it would have had I said it out loud. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Rogue Leader]Guess my quote didn't come off nearly as sarcastic as it would have had I said it out loud. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

In retrospect it should have been obvious, meh. There are still oddballs that care though.

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]Ha ha ha ha.

That was a good one, you crack me up.

Seriously man, comedy gold. Never fail to deliver.



No, you accept the idea that solving all the world's problems may just be a pipe dream.[/QUOTE]


Accept the idea that solving the petty squabling problems we have now, WOULD ONLY BENEFIT SPACE EXPLORATION.

Hey, how about no!

I seriously wonder if you really stand by the position you present. As long as humans exist, so will problems. You don't accept that?

Yes, I do.

What makes you think I don't? OH I KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET! LOLZIER!

I like the space elevator idea myself for future space exploration.

Think about it. We'd no longer have to worry about building big rockets and speciall shaped designs for atmosphere departure and reentry. We just ferry ship parts up an elevator and assemble small, lightweight ships in space.

Nice defense of your position. Really man, speaks highly of the intelligence you thoughtfully demonstrate on every occasion.

You say this:

[quote=Robby Robinstein]I beg to differ.

Our future is solving the problems we have here, on our planet, then exploring space.[/quote]

In this.... er... "argument"... you propose this plan:

1.) Solve all world's problems
2.) ???
3.) SPACE EXPLORATION!

This seems to imply that you think that we can solve the world's problems. Because Humans = problems, we can't. Otherwise you are otherwise implying that you think we should never explore space and constantly focus on every single myriad problem that pops up. Either one is pretty weak.

Where did I say ALL problems?

Can you point it out to me?

No, you can't.

Don't put words in my god damn mouth. Ever. Because it makes you look like an idiot, every time.

You say "the" problems. I'm pretty sure you mean the major world problems, such as hunger, poverty, ect. When I say "all", I'm not saying the problem men may have with erectile disfunction. If you don't mean the major world problems... what the hell else are you saying then?

Also, nice use of the word damn and stuff. Oooohh rooobb you are sssoooo scary! Hide me! Rob is gonna beat me up over teh intarweb!

Yeah, PS. You don't get to make fun of how I defend my arguments, when you say things like this;



MMMHMMMM, THAT THAR IS A GREAT ARGUMENT CLETIS, UH HUCK!




Stop putting words in my mouth, say something semi-intelligent, and I will do the same. However, I have a pretty good knack for when telling people are just going to BS. And you're probably just going to BS.

I didn't actually put words in your mouth. You kinda said them yourself. Unless like, you didn't say:

"Our future is solving the problems we have here, on our planet, then exploring space."

You didn't say this? Gosh, is there another Rob? I need new glasses. Either that, or you need a refreseher on how to read.

Why can't we do both at the same time? Work on solving the world's problems and explore space? Is there some law saying that we can only do one at a time?

And yeah, as Demon_Nightmare mentioned, even if NASA *was* abolished, is that money going to go towards curing cancer or feeding the poor? Hell no. It's going to get rolled into the Pentagon's budget so they can buy a few more smart missiles and jet fighters. Yeah, that really helps fix the problems that our species faces.

If we assume that we have to solve our problems before exploring... we'd still all be monkeys living in trees on the African savannah; trying to figure out how to not get eaten by lions. Because, you know, as long as people are getting eaten by lions we shouldn't be exploring or expanding our territory.

Good points. However, those of ceratain opinions are sticking their fingers in their ears going "lalalalala", so dunno how far that would get.

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]I didn't actually put words in your mouth. You kinda said them yourself. Unless like, you didn't say:

"Our future is solving the problems we have here, on our planet, then exploring space."

You didn't say this? Gosh, is there another Rob? I need new glasses. Either that, or you need a refreseher on how to read.[/QUOTE]

And why does that suddenly mean ALL PROBLEMS.

Infact, the problems could be an assortment of whatever the hell I wanted it to be, because naturally it doesn't include ALL problems. But hey, you were too busy acting like a 5 year old to ask me what those problems were. Good job.

Pick something new to nitpick.






As far as the money. I didn't say CRAP about the money, because thats a trivial aspect. It's not like the average person has a say in American Democracy or what the American Democracy does with their money. You know, things like that I thought were universally understood. I do however feel its a waste of time, when we're still stifled by stupid things like WAR. WAR which I may remind you is already costing us quasi-trillions of dollars and screwing over a budget I don't get to help decide anything about.

Feasable later, NOT feasable now.

Thats all I was saying, when some jerk had to come make a bunch of offhand comments because he has the arguing skills of a four year old.

Yes Rob, whatever you say. Don't want your mouth to froth all over the keyboard. You still aren't making any sense, but whatever floats your boat.

All I have to say is that in another argument, you INVOKED GODWIN'S LAW! Seriously, that speaks volumes of your own abilities in debate.

Addendum: And if those problems of yours aren't famine, pandemics, poverty, strife, ect, you have no body to your argument. I assumed in your benefit it was something significant, not whatever ssa-backwards issue of yours.

Actually I agree with Rob. (GASP)


It makes sense to solve our problems here before we start going into space exploration more. You know, it might be a good idea to have money going towards things here before we start shelling out trillions of dollars to send 4 guys light years away.

Alright, what do you mean by problems? Define them; it's a large umbrella otherwise, that apparently doesn't include obvious things.

[quote=Hulk Rob]Infact, the problems could be an assortment of whatever the hell I wanted it to be, because naturally it doesn't include ALL problems. But hey, you were too busy acting like a 5 year old to ask me what those problems were. Good job.[/quote]


Oh and yes Rob, and I did ask you what you were talking about:



But obviously you were in too much of a hissy fit to read. Or you could just reply again and not read any post of mine besides the first, like some bull charging away at oblivion. Protip: that doesn't make you look good. It makes it look like you can't read. There is only one person really playing the part of a toddler, and that is you, considering you can't read and all.

Must... resist urge to go on...

[quote=Angry Rob]Pick something new to nitpick.[/quote]

BUT THAT IS YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT. What else do I comment on, your mullet?

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]stuff[/QUOTE]

Stop acting like a child.

You know. I really wish this was a peaceful debate, but when you use immature tactics like that to call Rob names and the whole "Protip thing."

Hint- thats being arrogant.



As for the problems that might be a good idea to solve:
Oh I dunno... some wars that are going on. Money going towards education might also be a good thing. Cause you know, children learning is still more important than building a spaceship engine.


But you know what, i dont really have to explain my side do I? Because all youre going to do is compare me to Rob, who you have already insulted.