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WWII (or WWI?) games
2005-10-31, 2:54 PM #1
I haven't paid much attention to this genre of games because... um, I don't know why. I guess I thought they wouldn't be interesting. However, the past few days, I've been playing the Red Orchestra mod for UT2004 - and loving it.

So, what I'm wanting to know, what are the different flavors of this "war game" stuff, and put 'em in the order of favorites (ie. BattleField 1st, Call of Duty 2nd, etc).

Be sure and dumb it down for me, since I'm essentially unfamiliar with all of those games.
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2005-10-31, 2:56 PM #2
My list goes a little something like this:

DOD:S
DOD:S
DOD:S
DOD
DOD:S
BattleField 2
BattleField 1942 + Expansion

I hear COD is good, and COD2 is coming out [came out?] soon, but I haven't tried it.
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2005-10-31, 3:09 PM #3
CoD 2 is out
2005-10-31, 3:12 PM #4
DOD is Day of Defeat, just so you know.

I've got battlefield 1942 + expansion + balistik mod
that's all I have sadly.

Call of duty is supposidly good, but I've never played it. But I must say CoD 2 looks extremely badass and I'd hit that if you've got the money.
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2005-10-31, 3:14 PM #5
Battlefield 1942 is a wonderful game. You have the ability to pilot bombers and figthers, drive tanks, jeeps, APCs, trucks, flak cannons, etc. There are various mounted weapons you can use. It's basically a "control the most flag points" game (in essence). It is fun as hell with friends, or with one friend in co-op mode.
2005-10-31, 3:16 PM #6
I didn't really enjoy BF or BF2 all that much. They seemed so big on scale that the little details were completelly glazed over. And it's REALLY easy on any SP modes. MP itself isn't all that complex either. Jump in a vehical, aim for enemy, drive foreward. I don't tend to have much fun playing either games.

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2005-10-31, 3:17 PM #7
The first WWII series games were the Medal of Honor series:

Medal of Honor: Allied Assualt and expansions. They're great games, really fun and have decent MP

MoH: Pacfic Assualt: Same as above, better graphics, takes place in the Pacific

Day of Defeat is a MP mod for Half Life. Excellent MP, insanelt fun and addictve. Also out for the HL2 engine. Looks prettier, plays a little differnt, but that's ok.

Battlefield 1942 and expansions: It's a great MP game, adds vehicle combat, all theaters of WWII

Call of Duty and expansions: One of the best SP FPS experiences, the best WWII FPS shooter out there. Very cinematic experiece. Play as US, British and Russians. Each campaign is vastly different than the other

CoD2: Same as above, but with improved graphics and AI. Brit campaign takes place in N. Africa

Brothers in Arms: Follows real-life campaign of 101st Airborne in Normandy. Squad based combat, you act as squad leader and can give basic commands to your two fire teams. Extremely realistic
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2005-10-31, 3:39 PM #8
call of duty FTW
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2005-10-31, 3:48 PM #9
Order in rank of favorite to play.
Call of Duty (and Call of Duty 2 when I get it)
Call of Duty United Offensive
Day of Defeat
Battlefield 1942 / Road to Rome
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Spearhead
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
2005-10-31, 4:07 PM #10
I'm definitely not one of those people who are "sick" of WWII games...personally, I can't get enough WWII...

I absolutely loved Call of Duty 2...In my opinion, it is the only WWII game out there that gives you an idea of the scale of the battles... The sheer number of Germans that come at you is unbelievable, combined with the size of the environments...amazing. The only other WWII games that did that to a lesser extent were the First Call of Duty, and it's expansion pack...

Brothers in Arms disappointed me for this very reason...every "battle" that you play in that game is a tiny skirmish...even the one at the end felt waaaaay too small... I was expecting the final battle for Hill 30 to be huge or at the very least, "big"...but it was tiny. The original Medal of Honor (which was great for it's time, but is now completely outdated by the CoD series) had more Germans on screen in some of the lesser levels...Now that's just sad. Plus the dialogue and voice acting is just plain Godawful...after how much they were hyping this game up, it turned out to be so much less...I was looking foreward to that series being the next evolution in WWII shooters, but once you get past all the Gearbox marketing, there's just not much there... I mean, the squad tactics were fun to use and implemented well, However, in my opinion...If they would only have larger battles, it would have been much more "Authentic", as Gearbox keeps saying to the point of nausea...

And one thing I realized after playing Brothers in Arms is that I enjoyed the Call of Duty series' style and presentation so much more. To me Call of Duty 2 represents the absolute high water mark for WWII shooters as of the present time...it doesn't get any better than that...
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2005-10-31, 4:37 PM #11
Day of Defeat was awesome back before it got really popular. About the time they went from beta 3.1 to 1.0 and starting selling the game in stores is when it starting going downhill- people became too intent on finding and utilising bugs in the game (the prone bug in 1.3b doesnt count because everyone and their mom used it and it didnt affect the gameplay). Teamwork also became more and more non-existent and it's hard these days to find a server where it exists. Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game and can be fun on the right server with the right players, but it's not what it used to be.

I was on the testing team for beta 2.1 before it was released, and I think those were some of the best DoD matches I've ever played. It was also really cool seeing some of my suggestions get implemented in the game.
2005-10-31, 4:39 PM #12
The Forgotten Hope Mod for BF1942 is brilliant. Adds realism, tonnes of maps, vehicles, weapons, and nationalities (Germans, British, Americans, Soviets, Japanese, French, Polish, Australians, Canadians, Finnish, and Italians all come fully equipped with their own historically accurate weapons, uniforms, and vehicles). Also, not everyone gets a parachute, or if they do, they only get a sidearm and a knife, so you might actually manage to get someone shot-down and not have them running around taking flags in the rear by themselves.

One that hasn't gotten mentioned is Hidden & Dangerous 2. So, I liked it a bit more than the original COD (I really enjoyed what the expansion-pack did for COD though).

[mildly fanboy-ish post ahoy!]

It's a game that probably won't appeal to the masses as much as Call of Duty, but I'd say that I prefer it due to its details. You play in and lead a 4 man SAS squad in different theatres of the second world war (Norway, Africa, Burma, France, Czechoslovakia), you pick and equip the team (Right on down to their camo-pattern and helmets or compulsory red berets) as you see fit to fight the Wehrmacht, SS, Italians, Japanese, and even the Red Army.

Some neat features:
- Weapons aren't "hitscan". Muzzle velocity and calibre counts. Bullets will also ricochet off of hard oblique surfaces. (Fire down along a corridor in a bunker and your shots hitting the wall will bounce off, lose some velocity, and continue down the hall.) Like Mark Bowden puts it in Black Hawk Down, stay clear of the walls. Bullets travel along them among urban environments.

- Bullets penetrate surfaces such as doors, or can even rip through wooden shacks or thin walls with some of the heavier weapons. If you hear someone behind a door, plug a few rounds through it. You can drop two opponents with a bullet too as it will enter and exit through both if they're standing close enough.

- More freeform gameplay than the tightly scripted WWII shooters like COD and MOH. You're usually given an objective and you're free to approach it from different angles or methods. Be stealthy, go on a head-on assault. Usually a middleground works best. (Sneak, infiltrate, kill a few sentries and guard-dogs, clear the emplaced weapons, find a superior firing position with a clear view, get your Bren or BAR man set up with your sniper, pick off the officers and snipers, get in close with your submachinegunners and carbineers.)

- No "Attack of the Clones". Enemies won't constantly respawn in waves at you. Usually they're all there at the start of the mission. All the corpses and their equipment stay. Aaaand, they all seem to have their own unique faces (fine, they don't, but there are dozens faces for each nationality or combat unit), and outfits (you can see their ammo on their pouches, side-arms, different types of helmets/caps, different uniforms (Kriegsmarine? Luftwaffe AA-Troops? SS? Wehrmacht? Italian? Japanese?) even differing in each theatre. Unlike COD, you aren't fighting the same 4 German enemy-models throughout every mission, depending if its in the snow or not.

- Enemies who'll surrender when overwhelmed, allowing you to capture them and use their uniforms. Don't bother trying to make the SS or Japanese surrender though. They fight to the death. The Italians however aren't all too eager to fight. If you kill them, then you can't use their uniforms (Splattered with blood, full of holes.) Oddly though, if you only wound them in order to get them to surrender, you can still get their uniform clean on yourself even if they have a gunshot-wound decal on their shoulder or something.

- The now compulsory iron sights, (the previous game was apparently the first one to use them) and ragdolls.

- Cheap. I've seen it in the bargain bins. Still, I'm not dissapointed for paying full retail price two years ago. Very nicely packaged fold-out case (like the Max Payne 2 one).

- Oh, and with the expansion pack it has co-op

It came out about the same time as COD, but didn't do as well. It doesn't appeal to the "lowest common denominator" in the same way, I guess. It isn't the same type of big, epic, and loud non-stop action-movie. It's all about the approach, the planning and improvisation on the spot, and the sudden brutal, gritty and deadly combat.

The bad parts? Sometimes your squadmates' AI is a bit fiddly, even after the patches. The graphics are very competent and solid artistically/level-design-wise but there really aren't any nifty technical shaders. Just nicely lit (vertex-shaded) well animated (no more COD-esque duck waddling crouched squatting movement) relatively high-poly count models and terrain with slightly muddily mid-res textures, but hey, it came out in November 2003. Look at some screenshots and you'll see what I mean, or if you've played Mafia, it uses the same graphics engine.

Bottom line: Hitman (with squad) + Rainbow 6 (with huge outdoor environments too) + (reduced-scale) Operation:Flashpoint + WW2 = H&D2
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2005-10-31, 4:41 PM #13
For realism, Battlefield 1942 isn't the way to go. But for pure fun, it is.

CoD is very, very good. I personally want to see a WW1 game...
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2005-10-31, 4:42 PM #14
monoxide's post +1
2005-10-31, 5:08 PM #15
Originally posted by Avenger:
The first WWII series games were the Medal of Honor series:

Medal of Honor: Allied Assualt and expansions. They're great games, really fun and have decent MP

MoH: Pacfic Assualt: Same as above, better graphics, takes place in the Pacific


you forgot that even with the good in the game they royally screwed up by inserting a flying mission with horrible controls... it all starts out good with you as a tail gunner... then your pilot ejects focing you to have to PILOT THE PLANE AND ATTEMPT TO SHOOT STUFF and the controls for this part... SUCK

just advance warning... if you buy the game and get to that part... get ready to abuse your quicksave button
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2005-10-31, 5:49 PM #16
Battlefield 2 (I would say BF2 but then that might suggest Battlefront 2 and, well, don't eat regurgitated LEC content!)
2005-10-31, 5:56 PM #17
I'm starting to get tired of the genre. But I want to see a WWII game from a german's perspective, god damn it! >.<

CoD > All
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2005-10-31, 8:05 PM #18
[QUOTE=Kieran Horn]I'm starting to get tired of the genre. But I want to see a WWII game from a german's perspective, god damn it! >.<

CoD > All[/QUOTE]

lol, yeah... A WWII game from the german perspective would be kinda cool... but the whole way history wrote it was that Nazi Germany was evil and the allies were all that stood for good... so the germans have kinda been played up a evil alot.
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2005-10-31, 8:06 PM #19
Originally posted by Grant:
lol, yeah... A WWII game from the german perspective would be kinda cool... but the whole way history wrote it was that Nazi Germany was evil and the allies were all that stood for good... so the germans have kinda been played up a evil alot.


But I don't think it would sell well.
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2005-10-31, 8:23 PM #20
Originally posted by Grant:
lol, yeah... A WWII game from the german perspective would be kinda cool... but the whole way history wrote it was that Nazi Germany was evil and the allies were all that stood for good... so the germans have kinda been played up a evil alot.


No one realizes we were bad guys too, just like we thought they were bad guys. I think from a German perspective would have to be story-based really, killing the Allies wouldn't make a very good game unless the story was good. Something that truly shows the character's feelings on the war, and from both perspectives.
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2005-10-31, 8:28 PM #21
BF2 is GREAT fun.

Finally a game with vehicles that doesn't try and give the guy on foot an equal chance.

If even so much as a jeep rolls up on you, or buggy.. you = dead.

Only through cunning, do you actually get the guy in the vehicle. Also, the people in the jets own your face every 10 seconds. Unless you know how to use AA.
2005-10-31, 8:41 PM #22
It takes a little teamwork to beat armor as infantry, as it sould be.
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2005-10-31, 8:50 PM #23
I have all BF games. Love 'em

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2005-10-31, 8:53 PM #24
BF2 is just Desert Combat with prettier graphics.
DoD:S is just DoD with less guns and fancier particles.
Every single MoH game is just a cross between the first one and some other popular WWIIFPS.

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2005-10-31, 8:56 PM #25
I want a WWI game, STAND IN TRENCHES, SOMETIMES RUSH THE ENEMY, OOOOH YEAAA



For a German WWII game you could play as the begining of the war and Blitzkrieg alot...
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2005-10-31, 9:17 PM #26
Call of Duty 2 is amazing. AMAZING.

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