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Not sure about Darwinian evolution?
2005-11-03, 4:50 PM #1
I used to be a staunch Darwinist, but the rising debate and a recent Philosophy class altered my core beliefs. I looked for better explanations that integrated faith and science. I have found such a compromise in Him, the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I have been touched by His noodly appendage.
2005-11-03, 5:27 PM #2
I to have been touched by His noodly appendage.

FSM changed my live, I used to be a blind, poor,drug using, and hobo killing crazy man..

But after I was touched by his noodly appendage I'm now a seeing, multi millionaire, and up right citizen..


thank you FSM, for all your kindness to me and I pray you give me the power of spelling and grammer.. ramen..

<_<

>_>
2005-11-03, 5:33 PM #3
[QUOTE=Grim Zombie]I to have been touched by His noodly appendage.[/QUOTE]

That sounds so wrong.
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2005-11-03, 5:37 PM #4
Originally posted by Echoman:
That sounds so wrong.



lol ya I was laughing while I was posting that.. just because that phase sounds so wrong..
2005-11-03, 6:58 PM #5
Technically, you should say evolutionist, not Darwinian. Darwin's theory of Evolution is laughably obsolete by now. Almost every part of his thoery has been changed since then.
2005-11-03, 7:12 PM #6
HOLY CRAP WHAT WAS THAT NOISE?

Oh wait, that was the joke breaking the sound barrier as it flew over Obi's head. :p

And yes, I am a FSM believer. I, too, have been touched by his noodly appendage.
Stuff
2005-11-03, 8:41 PM #7
When I first learned of the FSM I literally laughed out loud. Good fun.
2005-11-03, 10:02 PM #8
This news is so old it's practically new.
2005-11-04, 12:30 AM #9
http://jesusgongiveit2ya.ytmnd.com/
2005-11-04, 4:58 AM #10
Yeah, can't wait till I'm in heaven, so I can visit the STRIPPER FACTORY and the BEER VOLCANO!!!!!

[http://ystig.com/spaghetti.jpg]

Obi_Kwiet: I'm gonna leave the fact that you're wrong aside, and I'll just tell you that I prefer the term 'scientist'.

-Dr. Tenshu, MD., PhD., DrSc., MOTU
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enshu
2005-11-04, 5:53 AM #11
There is a lot more to the mechanics of how evolution works than what Darwin described, so to that extent Obi_Kwiet is correct.
Detty. Professional Expert.
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2005-11-04, 5:55 AM #12
Noodles are good.
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2005-11-04, 6:48 AM #13
Originally posted by Detty:
There is a lot more to the mechanics of how evolution works than what Darwin described, so to that extent Obi_Kwiet is correct.


Yeah, but he called it 'laughably obsolete' which makes me think he STILL (!!!) doesn't know what evolutionary theory is, or that he doesn't know what 'laughably obsolete' means. Darwin got as far as someone could possibly get without knowing genetics. (proposing both natural AND sexual selection, which is exactly what evolution is; justifying it with heaps of evidence; making predictions that are still being tested (succesfully); more specific observations like evolution of body language, facial expression, emotion, which are still held to be correct (read Ekman), etc etc etc...)

OK's comments go back to the thread I recently posted about people who feel they're allowed to have an opinion.
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enshu
2005-11-04, 6:49 AM #14
He's such a taleboy too.
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2005-11-04, 7:09 AM #15
Originally posted by Detty:
There is a lot more to the mechanics of how evolution works than what Darwin described, so to that extent Obi_Kwiet is correct.


Quote:
Yeah, but he called it 'laughably obsolete' which makes me think he STILL (!!!) doesn't know what evolutionary theory is, or that he doesn't know what 'laughably obsolete' means. Darwin got as far as someone could possibly get without knowing genetics. (proposing both natural AND sexual selection, which is exactly what evolution is; justifying it with heaps of evidence; making predictions that are still being tested (succesfully); more specific observations like evolution of body language, facial expression, emotion, which are still held to be correct (read Ekman), etc etc etc...)


Well, On Origin of Species doesn't actually contain much on speciation, funnily enough (but it is covered in quite some detail in later works).
Darwin outlined the fundemental mechanics of evolution, of common descent and diversification by natural selection. Since then, those fundemental mechanics have been applied to new data to understand the evolution of other organisms. Nothing that Darwin outlined has been proven exclusively wrong, we just now have more data and more complex models arising from them.
The reason people, and Darwin himself, hesitate to use the word 'evolution' to describe the mechanics of speciation and natural selection is because it can be confused with changes within a lifetime, rather than the survival of hereditary features.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. " - Bertrand Russell
The Triumph of Stupidity in Mortals and Others 1931-1935
2005-11-04, 7:38 AM #16
God might have created "evolution" himself...
2005-11-04, 7:41 AM #17
It's amazing how stubborn people can be and not believe in something that simple. Amazes me, of course.
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2005-11-04, 8:00 AM #18
Originally posted by Ghost54321:
God might have created "evolution" himself...


Explain. I want all the details.
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2005-11-04, 8:53 AM #19
No you don't.
Dreams of a dreamer from afar to a fardreamer.
2005-11-04, 9:03 AM #20
Look I'm not going to "beat you guys over the head with a bible or anything..." Some of the questions you ask are very good questions! But I know now for a fact that there is scientific proof for all of Christians beliefs.

Just Take A look At this
2005-11-04, 9:19 AM #21
Originally posted by Ghost54321:
But I know now for a fact that there is scientific proof for all of Christians beliefs

This calls for a ...
Dreams of a dreamer from afar to a fardreamer.
2005-11-04, 12:08 PM #22
For a.... what?! :confused:
2005-11-04, 12:24 PM #23
You need to back up an absolute claim like that. You can start with scientific proof for the 6000 year old Earth.
Dreams of a dreamer from afar to a fardreamer.
2005-11-04, 1:25 PM #24
FSM is for dorks. All the cool kids are in the Church of the SubGenius.
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2005-11-04, 4:39 PM #25
Originally posted by Ghost54321:
Same old dribble, except for this one quote:
Quote:
"But if you do not want to believe in God, you never will."
That's very true. It also works the other way round. If you want to believe in God, nothing will ever change your mind.
Dreams of a dreamer from afar to a fardreamer.

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