And they rock!

The Athlon 64 2800 and Athlon 64 FX-53 run at 2.4ghz compared to 2.2ghz for the 3400, but the 3800 only has 512kb L2 cache compared to 1mb for the 3400 (the FX has 1mb). The 3800 more than makes up for this with its on-board 128-bit dual channel memory controller, thereby beating the pants off any non-FX processor out there.

Some interesting benchmarks here, pretty good review too.

This site has a good write-up, including a nice shot of the weird new pin layout:



And finally, this site has another nice review of the new chips.

The good news here for those of you looking to upgrade is that this will push the price of the slower socket 754 Athlon 64s (2800, 3000, 3200, 3400) down, making them much more affordable. Screw 64-bit, they're fantastic 32-bit chips if you're looking for something fast. Frankly though, if you can afford to drop $800 on a chip go the FX-53, they're simply the fastest chip out there and no longer require ultra-pricey registered RAM.

How will Intel respond? Well, it's gonna be interesting. IMHO AMD have done a great job of getting their 64-bit processers out on the market, and well establised, before Intel have shown any of their next-gen chips at all.

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[This message has been edited by Spork (edited June 01, 2004).]

are they gonna make a windows 2000 for 64-bit cpu's or just XP?

Actually, I think some versions of NT ran on DEC Alpha's so maybe there already is a 64-bit version.

Just XP. And Longhorn. But XP Pro > 2000 as is, and Longhorn looks promising (non-Palladium)

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I have an FX-51 in this machine.

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Mischief. Mayhem. Soap.

Die.

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I wish XP would die. I dislike it that much. I don't think I've had any good expirences with it, it just annoys me alot. I think they tried for User Friendly and it hits me as incredibly annoying. So yea... I'm not upgrading from 2k anytime soon.

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as annoying as XP may be... it IS networking gold, it's so easy to network, a chimp could do it

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Will that combination exist? (not the beta, the retail version schedualled for 2006)

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You're joking right? WinXP networking is like voodoo magic. Sometmies it works, sometimes it doesn't. And the best part is... you don't know why!

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Hehe.. its so true

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Actually, if you have the network set up properly, it's fairly easy to get working.

I don't know how so many people can have bad experiences with XP, unless maybe you're using Home Edition. Pro hasn't given me any problems in the past couple of years. The only time I ever had a problem was when I messed something up. If you think it's bloated, you can turn off nearly all the background applications and services, disable the XP themes, and optimize it to your heart's content. It's not like you're forced to have all that user-friendliness.

Those new CPUs are looking extremely attractive. I hope the price drop for the 754s comes sooner rather than later so I can get myself a new computer for university.

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I've used it at school in Yearbook. Now, those computers are completely seperate from the school, they have no contact with it whatsoever OTHER than the fact that they are, indeed, inside the school building.

Now, the one I use... I've turned off ALL of that crap. It's practially Win9x/2k in appearence. This is NOT what bugs and annoys the hell out of me. It's those god forsaken windows that pop up every time a program dies and it asking to send an error report. It's the freaking little dog everytime I go to search and how to SEARCH for the option I want in a list of bloody links. I only recently saw the place to turn that crap off. Its the length of TIME it takes it to right click on a file and show me it's properties (on average 15 seconds). And there isn't hardly anything on the drive to slow it down! Its the fact that in the year I've had that class, I've had to save our four XP machines from at least 6 different viruses that managed to evade my Anti-Virus software which I found out recently HASN'T been updating like it should because XP was blocking a port!

GRAA! This is why I hate it, all the stupid little things designed to make someones life easier that take too damned long to find and turn off. It's all the crap the OS pulls on a daily basis while I just try to WORK.

I don't have to put up with but maybe a QUARTER of that at home on 2k. And that's usually spread out over a month and not a week.

It's not just those computers at school I've seen do crap like this either, my neighbor has an XP box, it does some of the same crap and I've had to fix it.

XP sucks. As a final note, all of those computers were running Pro. I dislike it a great deal.

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/drags topic away from "windows is evil" tracks

I've been a little surprised/disappointed with CPU development of late. There was this mad rush to get to 2Ghz and then to 3Ghz and then bugger-all after that for ages. Is that just because current CPU architecture is limited to these speeds? Am I even asking the right question?

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This one day I went to change my password, but being the clever chappy that I am, I accidently typed the new pw into the e-mail address bar and clicked submit, hence the slightly modified new user name. Go me and my awesome computer skills.

I havn't tried XP pro... my experiences are of Windows XP Home.

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Pro >>> Home.

And Phoenix, rightclicking, just now, took me nie .3 seconds. Everything else can be disabled with a bit of knowledge.

Mystic0--a Massassian told me it would exist, I trust them but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

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Not at all, CPUs still have a long way to go. Architectire and core design is basically the only reason AMD are still in the race, their 2.4ghz chip beats the pants off Intel's fastest 3.4ghz chip due to it's superior architecture, imagine how awesome AMD chips are gonna be when they hit Intel core speeds...

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XP is ugly as sin, has heaps of unnecessary crap moved into the web content section of folders and has some things like user administration really dumbed-down(even on Pro, god knows what Home looks like).

How did a thread on a new socket devolve into an OS war? Geeze, let it die already! There are already a plethora of x86-64 OSes out there, most of them *nix. Im sure MS has a version out, although I wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole. Give it a few years for everyone to work the bugs out.

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Yeah... many *nix systems have been compatible with 64-bit ALPHA computers for years.

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