Im itching to buy a game, but I can't decide which one. Probably around the 30 dollar CAD range.

I haven't played Baldur's Gate (any number) so I can only compare the other two.

My vote goes with KotOR because NWN2 is supposed to maybe possibly come out sort of kinda vaguely soon (next yearish?). I would say NWN Platinum (or Gold? some metal.. whichever comes with both expansions) otherwise, because that game has near infinite gameplay. Both games have great replay value, but KotOR has the Star Wars edge, so if you're a fan of the franchise (well look where we are), then it's a natural choice.

Think I'll head out and buy KotOR 2 later myself actually, hoping they have a cheap used copy lying around.

BG2, its supremely awesome, even compared to KOTOR.

Baldur's Gate 2 will get you a lot more game time than the other two (excluding fan-created modules for NWN), and is one of the best games ever made. So that gets my vote. KotOR edges out NWN by a little, but they're both good.

KotOR because it is easily the best Star Wars game since Jedi Knight. Arguably better. It sucks you into the Star Wars universe like no other game. It's the ONLY game I have EVER played that ACTUALLY makes you feel like a Jedi. Being a Jedi isn't just about swinging a lightsaber - no other game besides KotOR or KotOR II allow you to play the role of a peacekeeper (should you choose to). The only thing I wish was different about KotOR was its 4000 year old SW style - I thought it should have been a lot more like the Tales of the Jedi comic books. But that's only a visual thing.

That's a pretty tough decision. I have played and enjoyed them all quite a bit. However, out of that list, BG2 is definitely the best. Also, you should see if they have a bundle that has BG2 and the expansion, Throne of Bhaal. ToB adds excellent closure to the series and is worth checking out after completing BG2.

NWN will probably only be appealing if you LOVE D&D 3E. It's really slow-paced and sorta boring, but quite faithful to the P&P rules.

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Damn Burrie got me to buy it.

Oh? Boring? It was never boring for me... I take it you are one of those who don't love D&D...

Anyway, NWN is an excellent game. Although so are the others... If you get NWN, who knows, maybe NWN2 will be released soon after you finish it (and the expansions).

Edit: Just to make clear, I don't think you need to love D&D to appreciate NWN. It's enough to like it, in practice or theory.

When I was looking at Neverwinter Nights, there was Diamond and Platinum. Does anyone want to explain the difference?

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And I loved 3rd Edition Dnd.

Baldur's Gate 2. No questions.

None. You hear me?


Also, don't get Neverwinter nights unless you intend on roleplaying. However, BG2 is better for that, and uses a much (At least I think) Superior D&D edition (2nd. 3rd sucks ***.)

If you get BG2, I'd be glad to play with you, if I could get past my router.

Why wouldn't he get BG2?

Ok, after looking at my funds. I might be able to get 2, or maybe all 3:p I have to check my bank account when I go up town. But! That means, I need to quickly know the difference between platinum and diamond neverwinter nights.

KotOR first, but they're all worth getting.

The NWN OC sucks. It was rather...eh. But I'd still get it just for the many EXCELLENT user made modules (stories) and the MP. Make sure you get both expansions as well.

Sucks? Man, you must be one demanding customer.

Bioware puts out premium modules for NWN, which are short little epsiode things for some small $ each. Normally these are only available through download, but Diamond lets you get 3 of them with the bundle.

Platinum - $31.74US on amazon. Includes NWN and both expansions.

Diamond - $26.99US on amazon. Includes NWN, both expansions and 3 premium modules.

It's pretty obvious which to choose from their prices anyway... plus Plat probably won't be available many retail stores if they've replaced it already with Diamond. Note that both are DVD. I think Plat used to be available in CD form, but make sure on the box you get that it conforms to whether or not you have a DVD drive (everyone now does almost, but just in case).

It was...all right like I said. But some user created stuff is much better. You should hear some other people, though. They were downright brutal.

I'm with JG - Bioware did pretty crappy on their own modules. Most player-made modules that I go on (still today) are really fun to play

I like D&D just fine as a tabletop RPG. That doesn't make it a good video game, though. When I say you have to LOVE D&D 3E to enjoy NWN, I mean LOVE it. Like all of the pages in your D&D 3E player's handbook are stuck together kind of love.

Depending on the number of creatures within combat range, a single turn could end up taking like 15 seconds. It's brutally slow-paced and there's no way to crank up the speed.

The whole non-combat gameplay revolves entirely around various skill check rolls. I mean, normal D&D has skill checks. That's fine, I like that. What I don't like is a hidden roll for "insight" and "lore" on almost every quest conversation. Leave it to Bioware to take the "role-playing" out of "role-playing game".

And since the OC is literally FLOODED with random bullcrap always-lethal traps you're FORCED to have a rogue in your party at all times - which is SUPER ROLEPLAYING QUALITY (A++ WOULD USE ELIZABETHAN ENGLISH AGAIN) for Paladins and Clerics (who are also highly vulnerable to being raped by traps, given lowish consitution and poor reflex saves). This is HA HA FUNNY! The last time I played the OC I ended up multiclassing my Paladin to Sorcerer so I could get a familiar who can pick locks.

And if you think the NWN OC is good you just plain haven't played enough CRPGs in your day. I can't offer enough praise for SoU and HotU, but the OC? Ew!

Platinum Edition NWN contains NWN (OC), SoU and HotU - the core game and the 2 main expansions. Diamond Edition contains the premium content Bioware released over the past few months. You can still buy the premium content online, but if you get it in the Diamond Edition it means you'll have a few extra hours of quests to slog through.

lassev et al: This is to what I'm referring. Seriously, "find traps" and "knock" saved my sorry *** more times than I can count. Of course, I stumbled upon numerous traps anyway.

Oh yes, and another example of why D&D doesn't make a good video game: wizards vs. sorcerer.

Sorcerer has access to most of the 'useful' spells in the game. They can cast each of their spells ~8 times before needing to rest and generally you end up with enough offensive spells that you can fill an entire shortcut bar with them. Plus you get a summon (maxing out at level 7 or 8 without going into epic classes, I believe) and a familiar (and you can choose different ones for different abilities). In addition, sorcerer spells are based on charisma (meaning you'll be more 'appealing' to NPCs and get quests easier) and they have an impressive mastery of martial weapons.
They also have a much cooler epic class (Dragon Disciple. As you level up in it you take on a dragon-like appearance. If you're also multiclassed as a druid you can take on a dragon form).

Wizards can cast higher level spells once or twice. Then they have to rest. In fact, as a wizard you'll be spending the majority of your time resting. Usually areas are swarming with little enemies that have HP about 10% too high to get killed by an AOE fireball, so you'll be dying a lot too. HAHA D&D TRANSLATES WELL TO MULTIPLAYER CRPGS.

Can you see ANY reason to play a wizard? It's a throw-away class. Totally useless in this game.

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The best part of the NWN OC is when you have an intelligence lower than 9 and the NPCs make fun of how stupid you are. Once in the first module I was fighting against the Yuan-ti and I took a hit to my intelligence. When I talked to Aribeth she said something like "I see now that wit is no match for strength and determination".

From those, KotOR (I even bought NWN last year but... haven't played it really that much :I). From Other: Deus Ex.

Ok. I do agree you have some very strong points about the OC, especially the traps. And I suppose I haven't played that many CRPGs, not nearly as many as many of you seem to have played, anyway.

But I can't help it that I felt like NWN, even the OC, was one of the best games I have played.

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If you get BG2, I'd be glad to play with you, if I could get past my router.[/QUOTE]
Count me in on that, too. I'd love to try BG multiplayer.

i would too.

dont listen to these star wars obsessives, Baldurs Gate 2 beats the pants off KOTOR.

Baldurs Gate 2 has online? SOLD!

Actually I think I'm gonna try to get them all. I get payed tommorow so:P

But, I will play online with you guys with BG2 when I get it.

My msn: lazerus250@hotmail.com

KotOR

Hopefully it'll work out better than the Massassi NWN game(s) did

Wizards are hardly a throw-away class. They get so many feats later on, it's not even funny. There also ARE some campaigns where you DO need the versatility of the wizard over the spamalicious nature of the sorc.

Edit: the multiplayer in BG is very weak. If you're looking for MP content, NWN can't be beat.

[QUOTE=Connection Problem]Wizards are hardly a throw-away class. They get so many feats later on, it's not even funny. There also ARE some campaigns where you DO need the versatility of the wizard over the spamalicious nature of the sorc.

Edit: the multiplayer in BG is very weak. If you're looking for MP content, NWN can't be beat.[/QUOTE]

the MP is BG is amazing. Sure NWN has all those spiffy mods and such, but BG2 uses 2nd edition, which is far superior to 3rd.

Mmm... Class kits.

Mmm THAC0.

[QUOTE=Connection Problem]Wizards are hardly a throw-away class. They get so many feats later on, it's not even funny. There also ARE some campaigns where you DO need the versatility of the wizard over the spamalicious nature of the sorc.

Edit: the multiplayer in BG is very weak. If you're looking for MP content, NWN can't be beat.[/QUOTE]
Really? I've been able to get away with playing a sorcerer on basically everything. Granted, some player-made stuff have modules designed for basically fighters (I hate those). Sure, it would have been nice to quickly change spells, hit 'r', and then continue on my merry way but I always got around that. I was just careful of my spell selection.