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any of y'all know anything about philosophy?
2005-11-27, 11:08 AM #1
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Briefly (3-5 sentences) summarize the differences and similarites between Hegel's and Nietzsche's superman (overman, extraordinary man, Ubermensch) theories.


I found plenty about nietzsche, but it doesn't looke like hegel ever actually had a superman theory. If someone could find a site or something talking about hegel's superman theory, I'd be very appreciative. I've been searching for about an hour now. :(

Here's what I got for Nietzsche:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch

http://www.connect.net/ron/nietzsche.html

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Nietzsche claimed that new values could be created to replace the traditional ones, and his discussion of the possibility led to his concept of the overman or superman.

According to Nietzsche, the masses, whom he termed the herd or mob, conform to tradition, whereas his ideal overman is secure, independent, and highly individualistic. The overman feels deeply, but his passions are rationally controlled. Concentrating on the real world, rather than on the rewards of the next world promised by religion, the overman affirms life, including the suffering and pain that accompany human existence. His overman is a creator of values, a creator of a “master morality” that reflects the strength and independence of one who is liberated from all values, except those that he deems valid.

Nietzsche maintained that all human behavior is motivated by the will to power. In its positive sense, the will to power is not simply power over others, but the power over oneself that is necessary for creativity. Such power is manifested in the overman's independence, creativity, and originality. Although Nietzsche explicitly denied that any overmen had yet arisen, he mentions several individuals who could serve as models. Among these models he lists Socrates, Jesus, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Goethe, Julius Caesar, and Napoleon.
2005-11-27, 12:19 PM #2
If it wasn't talked about in 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' then I can't help you.
"Well ain't that a merry jelly." - FastGamerr

"You can actually see the waves of me not caring in the air." - fishstickz
2005-11-27, 12:55 PM #3
I'm short on time, but...

From: Cliff's Notes on Crime and Punishment (of all places..)
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The German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1830) wrote many works on the general nature of the Ubermensch or extraordinary man. His ideas, however, were never formulated into one consistent thesis. But generally extracted from various parts of his philosophy, his views may be stated with some consistency. In its broadest statement, the Hegelian man exists for noble purposes; if the ends are noble, then the means can be justified. The emphasis is always on the ends rather than the means.


The motivation of the Hegelman seems to be the key difference IMO, and he's not necessarily an evolutionary possibility so much as a type of personality existent in the present. Of course this is pretty brief and I've never even heard of Hegel's ubermensch before.

Also check Stanford for a comprehensive philosophical index. I checked there section on Hegel and there was nothing about him having a superman.

There's also a collection of forums here if you have time to register before this thing is due. The people are pretty knowledgable, but the boards are at times viciously atheistic (poster beware). It takes a real admin to get you registered, it's not automated, so you may not have time (but for future purposes).

Good luck.
2005-11-27, 1:21 PM #4
oh wow, I should've checked there first. We're reading crime and punishment in class, heh. Anyway, that's exactly what I needed, thank you very much :)
2005-11-27, 1:42 PM #5
So many people get confused on that at first. :P
2005-11-27, 2:19 PM #6
Yeah, Nietzsche focused on a "superman" regardless of the time period. He emphasized surpassing the restraints of perhaps the thought or events of the time, and becoming a "great individual". That one can develop themselves personally and attain greatness. ( really brief, but you know his view already)

Hegel on the other hand, emphasized attaining greatness in the bounds of ones own time. By furthering the human race, they are considered "great".
2005-11-27, 4:36 PM #7
this is awesome, I should post my homework here more often.

speaking of which, um, does anyone feel like researching Erik the Red's economic impact on the world? :o
2005-11-27, 4:40 PM #8
This is my Superman theory:

[http://www.bigpondcomics.com/bigpondcomics/illustration/superman.jpg]
The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

-G Man
2005-11-27, 5:15 PM #9
Is Superman half taiwanese? maybe its just the artist dunno.
"The only crime I'm guilty of is love [of china]"
- Ruthven
me clan me mod
2005-11-27, 6:46 PM #10
It is a Superman for all cultures, tinny. They're trying to broaden their marketshare.
Cordially,
Lord Tiberius Grismath
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