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1000th execution in the US
2005-12-05, 1:19 PM #121
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
']Um...it's a fetus?

By the way, four limbs, a heart, a head, etc., are not "human" characteristics. Lots of other animals have them too, and we kill them all the time. :p

...shut up!
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2005-12-05, 1:20 PM #122
But he does have a point, hun.
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2005-12-05, 4:16 PM #123
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No not really way off topic.


the title of this thread:
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1000th execution in the US


a bit off topic, the death penalty and abortion are two completly different subjects
2005-12-07, 11:18 AM #124
look all i have to say is that once we do finally reach our utopian "civilized" society where ravenge is a thing of the past and there is no more need for violence or war, then wesly snipes is going to pop up with a terrible blond flat top and kick all your arses because nobody knows how to defend themselves, and then well all make fun of people who "dont know how to use the clam shells..." seriously though, we can only become so civilized(sp?) before we become a big nation of panzys who wont even defend ourselves because we might "offend" someone in the process. :mad:
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2005-12-07, 11:23 AM #125
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Thrawn: Ignores fact that political alignment is indicative of nothing.

Ugh. It's so strange. For a group of people who enjoy politicizing everything, why do you have such a poor voter turnout?



uhhhh....

unfortunatly for far too many in this country political alighnemt is indicative of EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! even to the point of absurdity(sp?) seriously! party loyalty has almost completely crippled the government. it does not matter how good an idea someone has in this country, if a demacrat did not come up with it, then they are not going to vote for it, and vice versa for republicans. it has seriously gotten rediculous(sp again?)
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2005-12-07, 12:18 PM #126
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before we become a big nation of panzys who wont even defend ourselves because we might "offend" someone in the process.


are you talking about the death penalty, because if so this doesnt make any sense
2005-12-08, 9:30 AM #127
not just the death penalty, but it is included in becoming "too" civilized.
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2005-12-08, 12:45 PM #128
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
']By the way, four limbs, a heart, a head, etc., are not "human" characteristics. Lots of other animals have them too, and we kill them all the time. :p

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2005-12-08, 2:36 PM #129
I swear, the next time I see someone bring up abortion in a capital punishment debate, I'm going to blow up a national landmark or something.
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2005-12-08, 2:40 PM #130
See if you can get the Washington Monument to fall on Congress.



lol. For a second I was just going to put "big white thing" because I couldn't think of the name. :p
2005-12-08, 3:53 PM #131
[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]I swear, the next time I see someone bring up abortion in a capital punishment debate, I'm going to blow up a national landmark or something.[/QUOTE] Why? Also, I'm still waiting for Mort to reply to my post.
2005-12-08, 4:05 PM #132
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Why? Also, I'm still waiting for Mort to reply to my post.


because they're different subjects!

i agree with him (well not the blowing anything up part) but it is annoying that in many capital punishment debates some how abortion gets brought up
2005-12-09, 6:02 AM #133
Originally posted by Warlord:
I might very well get hit by a bus tomorrow, spontaneously and through no fault of yours, but the fact that that is possible doesn't make it ok for you to kill me today, does it?


So, are you trying to say that one is non-human up until birth? Your "potentially human" thing works if you mark birth as the starting point of "human-ness". Why?



So uh you're claiming that up until the point of birth, a fetus meets the requirements for death? For the sake of this argument, let's define death as the cessation of brain activity, as that is the current legal definition.


So, Mort, is a fetus deserving of human rights once its brain activity begins?



What exactly is a human fetus, then? Is it not human? Is it not living?



I never said anything about childbirth. In terms of the baby, that isn't a particularly significant time period.

I've only been saying that in defining 'human life' for a foetus, it must be consistent with all other existing measures, and by no measure whatsoever can a zygote be considered 'human life'.
I've been deliberately vague as to what those measures specifically are, largely because it doesn't actually matter given that it is easily measurable. Measurable brain activity seems indeed a sensible such measure. (When measurable brain activity falls below a certain level, a human is considered 'dead'. When measurable brain activity in a foetus rises above that same level, it can indeed be considered 'alive').
I'm not especially concerned whether this occurs 2 weeks or 20 weeks into the pregnancy, the only concern is consistency. Destroying an organism before it has this level of measurable brain activity is not killing a human (much like stabbing a dead guy in the face), and so recreational abortion before this time should be of no concern to anyone but the mother. After this time, then it is indeed destroying a human, and then careful consideration must be given to each individual case with final decision with the doctor.
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2005-12-09, 8:17 AM #134
Even though the fetus is living, it's not really a human until the humanity fairy comes and sprinkles it's magical humanity dust on it.
2005-12-09, 8:21 AM #135
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
When measurable brain activity in a foetus rises above that same level, it can indeed be considered 'alive').
I'm not especially concerned whether this occurs 2 weeks or 20 weeks into the pregnancy, the only concern is consistency. Destroying an organism before it has this level of measurable brain activity is not killing a human (much like stabbing a dead guy in the face), and so recreational abortion before this time should be of no concern to anyone but the mother.

So you agree that a fetus is human after it displays measurable brain activity.
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
After this time, then it is indeed destroying a human, and then careful consideration must be given to each individual case with final decision with the doctor.

:confused: So they should carefully consider it before they kill what you agreed is a human? But what about
Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
If an organism then is human life, it should be granted human rights, which it shall never forfeit. They are human rights, not human privelidges
2005-12-09, 10:49 AM #136
Originally posted by TSM_Bguitar:
this has happened a few times actually


i would be interested to see a specific example of when someone who was put to death (within recent history) was put to death and then later was found innocent. and i mean within the context of this topic, The "1,000th execution in the US"
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2005-12-10, 5:40 AM #137
Originally posted by Warlord:
So you agree that a fetus is human after it displays measurable brain activity.

:confused: So they should carefully consider it before they kill what you agreed is a human? But what about



If the birth of the baby may endager the mother's life, then that must be taken into account (in a similar way to operations on conjoined twins, where there is a strong possibility that one of the twins will die).
The point was that after this point, the mother no longer has the choice or the freedom to choose as she does before it.
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2005-12-10, 5:43 AM #138
Originally posted by Darth_Alran:
i would be interested to see a specific example of when someone who was put to death (within recent history) was put to death and then later was found innocent. and i mean within the context of this topic, The "1,000th execution in the US"



http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/20/texas.execution.ap/

That's one I found within a few seconds of googling.
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