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ms buys opera
2005-12-23, 4:59 AM #1
yikes! what do you think?

http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=2108
2005-12-23, 5:04 AM #2
Someone explain, is this good or bad?
nope.
2005-12-23, 7:36 AM #3
Yet another reason to ditch Opera like a bad habit!
2005-12-23, 7:48 AM #4
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39243639,00.htm
2005-12-23, 7:51 AM #5
I hope it's not true. IE7 is so much nicer than any previous IE, and I don't like Opera's interface... And firefox just sucks. I'm sorry. Get over it.
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2005-12-23, 8:27 AM #6
If MS isn't using Opera as their browser, then are they going to just throw it to the side as they promote IE7?
2005-12-23, 8:44 AM #7
In response to original post:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

In response to the counter-post:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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2005-12-23, 8:46 AM #8
At least it's not Fire Fox.
2005-12-23, 8:47 AM #9
Originally posted by Yecti:
I hope it's not true. IE7 is so much nicer than any previous IE, and I don't like Opera's interface... And firefox just sucks. I'm sorry. Get over it.


Yay for someone with my same view!
nope.
2005-12-23, 9:15 AM #10
Originally posted by Yecti:
I hope it's not true. IE7 is so much nicer than any previous IE, and I don't like Opera's interface... And firefox just sucks. I'm sorry. Get over it.


Firefox doesn't suck. It's awesome. EXTENSIONS! Though IE7 might be nice, I dunno honestly.

I think it's alright. It'll make web development quite a bit easier.
D E A T H
2005-12-23, 9:49 AM #11
I like Opera. I hope this is just a rumor, due to the fact I HATE ALL THIS MSN CRAP ON MY PC!!!
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2005-12-23, 9:51 AM #12
Originally posted by Yecti:
And firefox just sucks. I'm sorry. Get over it.


Right-click -> Add keyword for this search makes Firefox >> Opera
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2005-12-23, 10:16 AM #13
I don't need my browser to do 8 gajillion things that make it NOT work like a browser.

I use NetCaptor, which is essentially IE7 with a more honed interface.. I've used it for years. I love it.
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1337Yectiwan
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2005-12-23, 10:24 AM #14
How have you used IE7 for years? Isn't it in beta?
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2005-12-23, 10:40 AM #15
I'm a member of MSDN...

edit: you misunderstood my post. I've used NetCaptor for years, which is what IE7 most closely resembles, but without as honed of an interface.
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1337Yectiwan
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2005-12-23, 10:48 AM #16
Originally posted by Yecti:
I don't need my browser to do 8 gajillion things that make it NOT work like a browser.

I use NetCaptor, which is essentially IE7 with a more honed interface.. I've used it for years. I love it.


It has nothing to do with 8 gajillion things--I only use a few, very handy extensions.

1) Live Bookmarks. Not even an extension, just plain useful.
2) Adblock/Nuke/ad-deleting programs. Self-explanatory
3) ForecastFox. Weather.

Just useful stuff. There's a lot more out there for tabbed browsing interface and whatnot but I'm happy enough with the vanilla interface.
D E A T H
2005-12-23, 11:52 AM #17
My input to the * vs. Firefox: I cannot live without my adblock. Most amazingly usful extension ever. Also Nuke Everything. And flash-block. And live bookmarks. Can't live without any of them!
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2005-12-23, 12:08 PM #18
[edit]I'm dumb[/edit] :o
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2005-12-23, 12:53 PM #19
I switched from IE to Firefox because I was having a terrible problem with sypware and adware. Once I switched I went from having over 100 each time I scan to less then 10.
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2005-12-23, 1:39 PM #20
Originally posted by Yecti:
I don't need my browser to do 8 gajillion things that make it NOT work like a browser.

...then don't download those extensions. If you like IE7, that's fine, but for your argument to be valid and for you to NOT appear as a complete Microsoft fanboy who won't put serious time into trying other software, you need to have good reasons. "Just sucks" and "there is stuff available for it that I don't use" are NOT good supporting reasons.
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2005-12-23, 1:49 PM #21
Internet Explorer just sucks. Get over it.
2005-12-23, 5:41 PM #22
This wont happen. It just wont. MS doesnt care enough about the browser market to do this.

[QUOTE=Jedi Legend]Internet Explorer just sucks. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Anyone who says otherwise is a blind fool.
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2005-12-23, 6:09 PM #23
[QUOTE=Dark Templar]http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39243639,00.htm[/QUOTE]

*click* *read*

Exporer sucks, Firefox rules, Opera is ok.

If you don't think IE sucks, then try working with XML. Also, MS has always tried to force its own versions of popular standards, and I'm sure IE7 will be no different.
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2005-12-23, 8:22 PM #24
Getting BACK on topic here, I just read this at the Inquirer: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28530

From the looks of things its a rumor. Not that I would really care anyway, IE gave me so much junk and crap in the past that I personally hate it, I'm sticking with my Firefox.
2005-12-23, 10:25 PM #25
Originally posted by Emon:
...then don't download those extensions. If you like IE7, that's fine, but for your argument to be valid and for you to NOT appear as a complete Microsoft fanboy who won't put serious time into trying other software, you need to have good reasons. "Just sucks" and "there is stuff available for it that I don't use" are NOT good supporting reasons.


Funny how in my line of work, I get paid to test software on a daily basis so that I can make a fair and rational decision based on what I find. My decisions are then mirrored in a Fortune 100 company as to what products they endorse and what they don't.

Oh, and you're just a college student. With an ego. I had a simple opinion -- that I don't prefer the browser, and don't see why so many people think it's superior -- but somehow I'm a Microsoft fan-boy even though I've stated TWICE now, that I don't USE IE7.
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1337Yectiwan
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2005-12-24, 12:43 AM #26
I use Firefox. :cool:

I'm not a big Opera fan, but it is pretty fast.
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2005-12-24, 2:56 AM #27
Originally posted by Centrist:
If you don't think IE sucks, then try working with XML. Also, MS has always tried to force its own versions of popular standards, and I'm sure IE7 will be no different.


I'm not sure. This time Microsoft seems to be working together with the Firefox and Opera guys.
But the thing where IE really sucks the most is when you're developing. I always have to check in IE if the site is rendered correctly. Most of the time I end up having to think up a dirty hack for something that displays correctly in every other browser.
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2005-12-24, 2:59 AM #28
I have no complaints about IE, but I use Firefox because it has tabs and quick search keyword thingies.
2005-12-24, 4:40 AM #29
The bottom of the bloody article has a disclaimer saying it's all lies anyway, so in that case end of argument.

That aside, I use both FF and Opera depending on my mood - I got a free copy on Opera's birthday for me and Izzy (one mac and one pc). To be honest though, I most often use Safari (although I've brainwashed Izzy against using IE ever again - I hope the new versions don't become really good, because I'll have to undo all my hard work :o ), because it's pretty quick, and dead easy to use. No problems thus far.
2005-12-24, 2:25 PM #30
Originally posted by Yecti:
Funny how in my line of work, I get paid to test software on a daily basis so that I can make a fair and rational decision based on what I find. My decisions are then mirrored in a Fortune 100 company as to what products they endorse and what they don't.

Oh, and you're just a college student. With an ego. I had a simple opinion -- that I don't prefer the browser, and don't see why so many people think it's superior -- but somehow I'm a Microsoft fan-boy even though I've stated TWICE now, that I don't USE IE7.

I'm the one with the ego? "My decisions are then mirrored in a Fortune 100 company as to what products they endorse and what they don't." And nice jab with the college student reference. It's not at all relevant to this conversation.

I have no problem with your browser preference, but I DO have a problem with people that use reasons like "it just sucks" for justifying their opinions. You say you get payed to test software on a daily basis. Okay, so you've done testing with Firefox? So what about it makes you dislike it? What about it makes a Fortune 100 company not endorse it? All you've said is that "it just sucks." That is NOT a valid reason. And I encourage GBK and other Linux zealots to provide real reasons as to why IE is bad. "Just sucks" doesn't cut it.

I guess the only reason I'm taking any "defense" here is because I greatly admire the Mozilla Foundation and what they've done. And when someone blindly, ignorantly says it "just sucks," I guess I take offense to that. Maybe your opinion ISN'T blind or ignorant, but right now that's all I'm seeing. Opinions must be justified to be valid. All beliefs are not epistemologically equal.
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2005-12-24, 3:41 PM #31
Originally posted by Emon:
...I encourage GBK and other Linux zealots to provide real reasons as to why IE is bad....

I dont consider myself a Linux zealot, but thats an argument for a different thread. I will lay out my basic reasons for saying "IE sucks" below.


1) ActiveX: It doesnt matter how many "warning dialogs" or "security prompts" that are layered upon this thing, it is still one of the single greatest security holes in Windows. I mean, geeze, ActiveX applets can gain *complete* access to your system, often without the slightest warning, simply by you accessing a website. And any warnings that do appear are simply dismissed by most users - they dont give a flipping damn about security, they just want access to whatever the site promised; games, silly screensavers, porn, etc. Once an ActiveX object loads, it opens the door to any number of other programs (spyware, keyloggers, rootkits, you name it). And since most Windows users run as Admin (sadly, this is true even corporate environments), these programs can easily gain access to the complete system.

2) "JScript": Microsoft's debauchery of Javascript. As a web-application developer this hits me particularly hard. Fortunately, most of the apps I develop these days are just internal apps for my company, which is mostly Firefox/Mozilla users. To have full cross-browser support, its usually required to write the application twice; once for IE, and again for everything else. The same is true for IE's CSS "support".

3) Integration: Because the core IE engine is used in Windows itself, as well as dozens of other programs, compromising the browser enables direct access to the rest of the system. Granted, if proper privilege restrictions are in place it would limit damage to only those areas that the users has access to - the users own data, for example, but thats little comfort if all your data gets wiped out; or worse.

A recent example: This happened about 2 months ago. At work, I had just finished setting up an XP pro SP2 box. Every security update, Trend Micro corp. antivirus, the works. The security settings in IE were turned all the way up. By any measure, it should have been fairly secure.
A co-worker of mine needed a serial for a program. For some reason ( I guess because I was sitting in front of it), I used that XP box to search for the serial instead of my Debian workstation. The first result in Google I clicked on, the *first* one, resulted in a popup storm and numerous pornographic click traps. (I followed the same link a few minutes later with Firefox on my Linux box - no popups, no traps) Now, these popups occurred despite IE SP2's built-in popup blocker being set to full.
I pulled the plug out of the back of the XP box the moment the popups occurred, but I wasnt fast enough. Upon reboot, the machine was infected with *3* pieces of spyware. From one link. With full security settings in place.

Now, granted, most users dont go searching for serialz. However, many, many users do surf for porn and various other things on a nimiety of malware-infested sites.



If you visit a cheap whorehouse in Tijuana and don't wear a condom, you deserve everything you get. Surfing the Internet with Internet Explorer is no less risky than unprotected sex in a cheap Tijuana whorehouse.
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2005-12-24, 3:43 PM #32
It says Firefox is a threat to IE when IE sucks!

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