I dunno, I'm bored and looking up stuff on the internet.. Foudn this.. As you knwo, I'm quite interested in UFO's and believe they exist. I dunno about abductions, but inteliigent life visiting us, I certainly without a doubt believe in that..

I DO NOT POST THIS AS PROOF NOR DO I SAY THEY ACTUALLY ACKNODLEGE IT. BUT IT IS AN INTERESTING STEP FORWARD IN FINDING THE TRUTH.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/6063.asp

"Applied ufology?"

Awesome! I want to be a ufologist.

It's India Daily. 'nuff said.

In Soviet Russia UFO acknowledges YOU

Where did that saying come from anyway. I just remember hearing it for so long on Massassi I can't even remember where its from.

That is actually very interesting.

I bet the the US has similar files.

I am positive the US has similar files, and more descriptive/concrete ones. That's why they're so secure about it.

There has to be something going on. They wouldn't refuse to show documents related to UFO's if there wasnt anything to hide. There obviously is something to hide.

I think most "UFOs" are just were just test planes. At least the ones people "saw" in the 50s. They probably just go along with the UFO story as a free cover story.

True. But you gotta admit, some of the UFO's taped have to be legit.

"Legit" in what way?

Legit as in real.

As in truly, unidentified flying objects. Wait, since we don't know what any of them are, then they ALL are true UFOs. :p
People need to stop thinking UFO means aliens, it just means we haven't identified it yet, it could be our own planes for all we know. Maybe a covert mission, maybe a new stealth plane, who knows.
If you want to say aliens, then actually say "aliens!" (sorry, that kinda bugs me when people automatically make the assumption that UFO means alien.)

UFO = unexplainable by ALL forms of explanation. Even government level.

Aliens exist however, if you wish to nitpick :p

Yep, they cut my neighbor's grass.

There was some UFO show on the Discovery Channel the other day, and me and my dad were talking about it and came up with some questions for those out there that believe aliens are visiting Earth:

- if the UFOs are really aliens that are studying us, why come down into the atmosphere? What can they do from there that can't be done from orbit?

- why do the UFOs have lights on them? Are the aliens trying to keep with FAA regulations?

- as a corollary to that, why are the lights white? That would seem to suggest that the aliens see in the exact same visual spectrum as we do, which is unlikely.

- if there really have been alien abductions, why do they always take the people that you'd least like to represent our planet? Why not a famous scientist or some powerful world leader?

- Why a saucer-shaped craft? It's not particularily aerodynamic, nor is it any better for space travel than other shapes.

- Why do the aliens always look like us (or bipedal representations of other animals like reptiles)? If some life form evolved on a different planet it should look nothing like anything we've ever seen.


Anyways, the whole "UFOs = aliens" thing seems pretty far-fetched. Just because we can't explain a certain sighting doesn't mean it has to be creatures visiting from another world.

Um, things are classified as UFO until they are explained. If a project is top secret, do you honestly believe that the government is going to say "Oh, that's not a UFO. We know what it is, but we can't tell you about it. It's so top secret we're not even supposed to acknowledge it's existance. Wait, uh, nevermind all that, it was a weather balloon."

But you did get me on the alien thing In that case, just ammend all the times I said alien into "extra-terrestrials" :p

Just a few counterpoints I'd like to make


Maybe they test the air to determine its mollecular composition? To see how we are polluting it maybe.


Why do our planes have lights? Maybe they advanced in a way that had them include lights on their vehicles as well.


I don't see that connection. Their eyes could interpret what you see as white as a light shade of blue for all we know, or maybe they don't even realise it emmits light and it's actually some sort of sensor?


Do you honestly believe that a President would admit to being abducted :p JK, they could understand that those people would be noticed if they were abducted (or be more credible) and thus choose people who would not be taken seriously about the abductions.


Since we assume they have superior engine technology, a saucer would allow them to place engines in a manner that allows flight changes without turning. They could have inertial dampers that allow them to come to an instantaneous stop and do a 180 degree direction change without needing to loop around.


Um, I don't know where you saw an alien, but there is nothing I know of that states they have to appear bipedal or reptillian.

[edit] Disclaimer: Not everything in this post is meant to be taken completely literally. I am not an E.T. expert, activist, or anything of the sort. I do not deny that they could exist, but I'm not a conspiracy theorist either. I did not do any research on the subject at hand, thus all of my "rebuttals" are simply theoritical conjecture and should be taken as such. [/edit]

Naw, you can do that from orbit (hell, you can do it from the next star system if you want) with a simple spectrograph.



Our planes have lights because there are regulations in place such that they can be seen by other planes. They don't *need* lights, especially now with GPS. You'd think that if the aliens didn't want to be detected, they wouldn't put lights on their ships (or at least they'd keep them off). I'm only assuming that they wish to avoid detection, of course, but if they wanted to be seen I'd think they could do somewhat better than they are.



White is still pretty unlikely. As far as a sensor is concerned... it's plausible, I guess. Still seems strange that it's tuned to our exact visible spectrum.



So then why the abductions? Surely if they were only trying to study our anatomy they would only need to take one person.



Wouldn't a sphere be better? You could then do instant direction changes in any plane/axis.



Have you ever seen a sci-fi movie? :p

GBK!

Anything could be UFO though.

Including Canadians?

especially :p



Ok then, they need to fly into the atmosphere to replenish their oxygen (it's a long trip you know)




What if they don't care about detection... Maybe they want us to see them.



How is it strange? I'm just not seeing the strangeness, maybe if you explained I'd understand better.



I have a theory on the abductions. Ok, it ties in with the oxygen refueling theory. They fly in, start the oxygen transfer and beam up some random gambling addicted inconspicuois person. They then play a few rounds of Texas Hold'em (They learned about the game when they abducted the first person to study his anatomy, and all of the subsequent abductions have just been to play) while they wait for the oxygen transfer to finish. When it's done, they plant some fake memories in the dude (they don't want Earth to know about their gambling problems) and send him on his way.



Well, ya, but, uh, well, maybe a saucer is better for atmospheric flights? More lift?


A what?

Why not?

Canada pwns j00

So, the conclusion is that UFOs are not aliens. Rather, Canadians being launched into the air.

How does white light equate to "exact visible spectrum"? And all it takes for them to have a similar visible range as us is to have a similarly colored star and similar conditions on the planet, which as far as we know, aren't very flexible for allowing life.

There's a sub-theory of evolution (for lack of better words) that describes why they would look like us. Theory of best design or something. Basically says different organisms can evolve completely separate of each other but still come out very similar, because it was the best design for their environment. It's observable on Earth. In the case of bipedal motion, well, bipedal motion frees hands to work with tools. We evolved from tree climbing animals. When you can climb a tree, what can hunt you? Makes it very easy to survive.

Edit: I am not arguing for UFO-believers. Personally, I'd *like* to believe intelligent life is out there and perhaps even visited us, working up towards first contact. Evidence is quite lacking, however. Although I wish it would happen, it would be the most important event in the history of our solar system.

Heh, I like how the ETs never can make up their mind about if they want to be seen or not. I mean, if they've got the technology to travel a few lightyears, why not also the technology to hide themselves properly?

Another thing some people tend to forget is not only the space they'd have to overcome, but also the timeframe. Why should another intelligent life form evolve to this level in the few thousand years man has spent on earth? I think it is highly unlikely that these timeframes come so close together.

But I do not doubt that there is extraterestrial life. If we were the only ones it would be a complete waste of space.

Maybe they aren't hiding because they don't need to.

It's also possible they have running light regulations that are obsolete, just like ours. Or the device they use for propulsion/hovering is photoemissive.

Emon's right on calling the Theory of Best Design in. The only way their physiology would be significantly different from ours is if the conditions on their planet were dramatically different. If they evolved on a world that had no land, for instance, but in that case they probably wouldn't evolve a high intellect.
The smartest sea creatures on Earth did come from land, after all.

So the bilateral biped design is the best for an intelligent species? Maybe that's so, but evolution can push the design of animals in completely different directions even under similar circumstances on the same planet - for example, say, a large herbivore that lives in grasslands: North America came up with the cow, Australia got the kangaroo.

Also, why does their technology always seem to be seperated from ours by only a few tens, maybe hundreds, of years? Impi already brought this up, but it's an important point. Unless there are millions of civilizations out there and the only ones visiting us are the ones at a practically identical point in our technological development; the rest I guess just don't care (or are actually hiding their ships, hah [that is of course assuming they use ships]).

Then again, we can never assume that we know what the aliens are doing. Perhaps they have their own reasons for flying across the surface of our planet at low altitudes in ships that look like leftover props from "Plan 9 From Outer Space". I will admit that contact with an alien intelligence would be pretty awesome.

*goes back to watching "Contact"*

I'm not even sure if I believe in evolution, but even I know that the universe is expanding and different glaxies were created sooner than other and had more time to develop - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang.

Yes, but have you ever known a kangaroo to make an oceanliner? Have you ever seen it use tools, or think critically in regards to its environment? Interestingly enough, apes (which are also bipedal for the most part) use tools. And so do humans. Only humans have a vastly superior IQ (for the most part :p ).

What I'm trying to say is, I can't imagine a yak shaped animal making a space-ship and coming to earth. Even if you're a creature with an IQ of 1,000, how the hell are you going to build a spaceship with hooves? Hands with fingers seem fairly necessary to perform almost anything that we as humans take for granted in day to day life, and we happen to be (to our knowledge) the most intelligent life forms on this planet. So an animal with bilateral symmetry and limbs and fingers (humanoid in other words) seems to be the most likely creature to construct a ship and come to our planet.

You'd think if something had the technology to travel so many light years to earth, it would have the technology to to make it self known if it wanted to be known or hide it self if it didn't want to be known.

And UFO's exist. All the time. Weather or not they are extraterrestrial beings is quite another matter.

Australia has large grasslands? I thought it was 85+% desert...

Regarding technology, it really depends on how they grew up and what they grew up with. They might not understand radar because of some particle around their world that interferes with everything (Ripped from UC Gundam), which runs into the bright light thing, so they don't slam into the ground.

For all we know, there not half as advanced as we'd like to think they are. Especially if Roswell is any indication. An early cold war era SAM system kicked their ***.

For all we know, the technology in flying saucers, is completely useless for our needs. Our needs being moving heavy loads between the planet surface and at least orbit.

Except that vertebrates are practically a fluke and chances of that happening again else where are slim to none. I'd think a more squid/cuddlefish-like creature would be more likely to evolve than our war-monkey-esque anatomy.

cuttlefish

Thanks.

heheheheh he said cuddlefish...

That's the point I'm trying to make. Some galaxies developed earlier, some later, some faster, some slower. Somewhere evolution is slower, somewhere faster. So it would be a huge coincidence, if some alien race reached our lifespan.