what should be taught kids in school in science classes in regards to the origin of the universe and life in it. evolution, big bang; or, flavor of the moment- creationism, inteligent design, yeah.


i heard there was some legislation somewhere in ?louisiana? that mandated the teaching of inteligent design. must be a strongly religious school board.


though i'm christian, i have to admit that logic says evolution, and therefore it should be taught


what is your opinion?


i don't want a rehash of the squirrels thread. feel free to ignore/delete the thread if you think it is. but this seems different enough.

I think that there should be a choice at every school between evolution and something like intelligent design.

If they can teach evolution (even though it is logical) why can't we teach something along the lines of some being on a higher plane of existance (THE ANCIENTS LOLOLOL) who directed the creation.

Oh, and I do believe in evolution of the earth, but humans changing from monkeys I don't. There is evidence, I believe, that the earth is older than 9,000 years old like most Protestants try to say (nothing against you guys, but you people really twist some things to make it come out how you want).

Intelligent design doesn't belong in science classes. If they want to teach it in religion classes, so be it.

Exactly, I don't see a problem with it being taught in schools... but there is no way that it should be classed as a science.

Yeah, it is by no means a science. Maybe philosophy?

yes. but how many high schools provide philosophy classes? mine doesn't.


colleges can teach what they see fit. they aren't governemtn funded. one more reason to look forward to graduating.

State schools are.

State schools should not teach Intelligent Design because it stems from a certain religious point of view. Thus, a class that teaches ID is taking preference toward a certain religion. If it used the Bible to describe the origin of all life, then it would appear that this religious text is superior to other teachings of religion. Also, it would make the learning environment at these state schools support religious influence because ID is part of the cirriculum. It would be argued easily that this violates the Establishment clause.

Evolution should be taught because it isn't based on any religion at all. Therefore, it doesn't put one religion over another. Such a class is the best thing: it excludes the controversial presence of religion completely and uses written evidence and observation from an unbiased, textbook source.

Kids should make their own minds up. If they don't want to believe in evolution, fine. They can keep to their own private matters. Or go to a religious school.

bingo! someone give that man a cookie! however if anyone ever does come up with a legit scientific I.D. model, would it be given fair consideration? probably not. but still, for now I.D. does not belong in a science calss.

Give a non-religious teacher his own little room, who is neither biased against or for religion in any way, and let him teach Intelligent Design. Call it a Creation Philosophy class or something to that effect, and make it a completely optional class, as well as evolution-based science class.

And please, give me that cookie. I just had some fried deer loins, a twice baked potato, some green beans, and about to finish a bowl of ice cream. I'm still hungry.

What exactly is there to teach about intelligent design?

"*insert god here* created us and everything else."

Why do you need to have that in class?

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I think biologists should be allowed to decide what to teach biology students.

It's not a question of "logic vs. intelligent design". Biology is a scientific discipline and all of the subject matter being taught has passed extensive peer review. Intelligent design theories have not.

seriously, are we really having another ID thread? we've had several large ones in the past two or three months, and one very recently that I can remember. I don't think another discussion is going to produce any more insight, especially on these boards...

Intelligent Design should not be taught in science courses because it contains elements that can not be proven through empirical means, which is the very base of science.



Actually, given that ID is a Christian bit, it'd be more logical to have a Christian teach ID.

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If you want something that can be proven through empirical means, you don't want natural history.

Um, what?

Didn't we recently discuss this in a heated 10-page topic?

I'm taking a class this Spring called "Philosophy of Religion." My university is state funded and it's an upper division of course... I'm really not sure what to expect yet, I grabbed it at the last minute because Modern Philosophy was all full (waitlisted at #9 on that one... sigh).

I'm also pretty sure I'll end up arguing with the professor, just because I always do (arguing in the philosophical sense, not senseless flaming). I'll let you guys know what goes down.

History has taught us that logic is rarely used.

What?

I'm suprised nobody else has mentioned it:

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Feel the touch of His Noodly Appendage.

I say don't let the government determine the content of a class in school. Leave it to the schoolboards.

Why are the schoolboards necessarily better? I know the ones who managed my district were off their rockers when it came to security measures, and I wouldn't trust them to handle a situation like this properly at all.

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[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]I say don't let the government determine the content of a class in school. Leave it to the schoolboards.[/QUOTE]

Except the schoolboards would be using government funds to teach whatever they want, including biased materials....By letting the government run schools, the material would be suited for everyone, with standards, not what the small amount of people on some schoolboard staff want...

Is this your sketch of the month? The presuppositionalist one?

Try harder dude

Biased material is taught in schools as it is, what's your point?

What do you mean "what's your point?" If the government run schools, there would be more standards and restrictions on what would be taught in classroom, like about religious subjects and so on. Sure there are some biased stuff and controversal teachings in schools. Every public school is different. They aren't operated strictly day by day to some oppresive code formed by the state. Now, it would be alot worse if schools were only under the responsibility of a small group of people rather than a governing body with national regulations.

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Teach science things in science classes.

Teach religious things in religious classes.

Why is that so hard to figure out?

Didn't we just have this debate like a few weeks ago? And it turned into massive flaming and the like?

No we didn't!! Yer teh poopyhead! Shut up! I'm right and yer wrong!

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did you read the first post, if this doesn't matter/pertain to you, ignore. you are brainless.

Shouldn't all religions be given equal play in the classroom, if we're going to teach this madness?
"Now then, little Bobby, explain to the class the concept of Yun-Yuuzhan."
"Yun-Yuuzhan was a many-tentacled horror that sacrificed his body parts to give shape to the universe."
"That's correct. And he's not to be confused with what other many-tentacled horror?"
"Yog-Sothtoth?"
"That's right, Bobby. Next, we're going to discus the difference between the orthodox Bokonist creation view and the orthodox Druish view of creation."

Whew. That's, like, the sixth Lovecraft reference I've made tonight. A Star Wars, Cat's Cradle, and Spaceballs reference, to boot.

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eh... not really , creationism and I.D. dont really have to be restricted to cristianity, those ideas could fit into any number of religions.

You'd have to teach them really, really generally for that to be true. Plus, while there's enough involved in evolutionary theory and such for students to be able to study it for years, how much time can you spend learning about I.D. in a classroom? Ultimately, once you strip away the arguments AGAINST evolution, intelligent design practically vanishes in a wisp of smoke. "Um, we think a super-powerful being created us. And...yeah. That." I mean, what else is there? :p