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Jack Thompson Strikes Again!!!!!
2006-01-11, 3:02 PM #1
As far as I can tell, the interview is legit. The kicker for me is his very last statement at the bottom of the page. Read, and enjoy.


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2006-01-11, 3:12 PM #2
This guy is hard to take seriously. He needs to stop, for the good of everyone.
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2006-01-11, 3:16 PM #3
Yeah... I'm pretty much done w/ Jack Thompson.
2006-01-11, 3:17 PM #4
Innnnnterestings
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2006-01-11, 3:18 PM #5
Quote:
It’s a masturbatory activity


That could be one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard of him saying.

I feel like posting this, but don't let it sidetrack anything. Oh, and slight language warning I guess.
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2006-01-11, 3:30 PM #6
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2006-01-11, 3:52 PM #7
okay, so now he says his Proposal was serious? even he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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2006-01-11, 3:54 PM #8
I was expecting him to say Hallowed are the Ori.

*puts down controller, goes outside and masturbates*
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2006-01-11, 4:43 PM #9
Penny Arcade is gonna have a field day...

"Jack Thompson: I saw a blurred oral sex scene. Beyond that, I don’t want to get into details. It’s irrelevant; we all know what’s in the scene, and kids shouldn’t be subjected to that."

haha. You know, cus like, CJ stays clothed and it dosen't show the genitals of the lady.
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2006-01-11, 4:52 PM #10
"The video game media has been belligerent and afraid of me. And I must say, I appreciate the compliment."
Afraid? They've been saying "bring it on" since the start!

Also, yes, children probably shouldn't see those scenes. So uh, why don't parents just stop their kids from playing the games? I bet Jack Thompson knows full well what he's doing and how all his arguments are logically flawed, he just has an agenda, or is just the real life version of an internet troll.
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2006-01-11, 4:55 PM #11
I have to agree with him on one point. If you are actually playing Grand Theft Auto for ten hours a day, get out some.
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2006-01-11, 5:19 PM #12
Didn't Jack Thompson lose his license to practice law? Or is it still under review?
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2006-01-11, 5:22 PM #13
I do agree with his notion that adult games should not be marketed or sold to minors, and I fully support the laws that enforce this.

However, I do not like this man.
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2006-01-11, 5:24 PM #14
Originally posted by Wolfy:
I have to agree with him on one point. If you are actually playing Grand Theft Auto for ten hours a day, get out some.


I think we have a spy on our side.
2006-01-11, 6:39 PM #15
Tazer Time?
"Jayne, this is something the Captain has to do for himself"

"N-No it's not!"

"Oh."
2006-01-11, 7:05 PM #16
[QUOTE=Darth J]I do agree with his notion that adult games should not be marketed or sold to minors, and I fully support the laws that enforce this.

However, I do not like this man.[/QUOTE]
*agree

It's kinda like the tobacco industry... They got hit hard about 10 or 15 years ago for targetting minors in their ads (remember the cartoon camel?). Gaming industry is the same. Adult games should be marketed to adults...

And yeah in the Hot Coffee thing, you can't see the woman's genetalia, but you can see her breasts.
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2006-01-11, 7:09 PM #17
How can you have oral sex with a fully clothed male, and a not-showing-genatalia female, and have to have it BLURRED.

Crazy JT.
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"Oh."
2006-01-11, 7:20 PM #18
It’s a masturbatory activity, and it would be better if people put down the controller and went outside.

Wow, I have never heard that a comparison between games and some sort of sensual experience before. That's a bit radical, although, indeed, some people play too much. Then again, it's Jack Thompson talking.
2006-01-11, 7:21 PM #19
Woah woah woah.

Quote:
originally said by: bigfatidiot
Jack Thompson: I never said the offer was not a genuine one. It is a satire, as Jonathan Swift’s original A Modest Proposal is satire. However, it was a genuine offer embedded in a satire.


Now, let me get this straight.

His piece, while a satire, was serious about donating money.
Johnathan Swift's piece, while a satire, was serious about eating babies.

WTF!?
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2006-01-11, 7:21 PM #20
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
*agree

It's kinda like the tobacco industry... They got hit hard about 10 or 15 years ago for targetting minors in their ads (remember the cartoon camel?). Gaming industry is the same. Adult games should be marketed to adults...


But adult gaming ads are targeted to adults. A TV ad for GTA for the PSP or Doom 3 ad isn't going to appear on a kid cartoon channel. They have the ratings too.
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2006-01-11, 7:22 PM #21
You know what I just realized? The fact that a depiction of oral sex is somehow worse for children to see than, you know, the rest of GTA.

Why is violence okay buy sex is not? It seems kind of... backwards, doesn't it?
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2006-01-11, 7:25 PM #22
Originally posted by kyle90:
You know what I just realized? The fact that a depiction of oral sex is somehow worse for children to see than, you know, the rest of GTA.

Why is violence okay buy sex is not? It seems kind of... backwards, doesn't it?

that in a nutshell is why the controversy around GTA is soooo effed up
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2006-01-11, 7:28 PM #23
Well, one could say that sex is something a child could do and because he could do it easily with someone else, the influence of sex can make him practice such a thing (unsafely or whatever). For car-stealing, gun-shooting, robbing, etc. not every child could do something like that. Unlike sex, such violent acts are very illegal and often not in reach to do. So a kid who not lean much in that direction. Do I make sense?
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2006-01-11, 7:30 PM #24
Quote:
The problem is that they don’t listen to my message. Let the adult video games stay with the adults. We need to keep these games out of the hands of our kids. Take Two has been marketing these games to our kids, and they just let the retailers sell them to kids. They’re all wrapped up in this together; it’s like a conspiracy.


WTF, does this guy even know about the ESRB? games are rated for their content and it IS ILLEGAL to sell games rated M to those under the age of 17. I work at an EB games and my manager has made this a clear and strict rule, if the person does not look 17, ask, if they still don't seem convinved, ask for ID, if they don't have any, don't sell it.

it's like booze and ciggerettes, you can't sell them to minors and I can't sell games to those under 17 without parental consent.

The problem is, 7-10 parents will buy the game for their kid and ignore any ratings at all, when a parent buys a game and we know it's for the little brat she's towing around on her arm we ask "are you ok with the M rating" and explain why it's rated M.

7/10 of the parents I sell a game to say "Oh, they see it on TV and movies anyway"

It's not the kids who are the problem regarding games, it's ignorant parents who don't give a **** what their kids play and then complain when they try to return the game because they "don't approve".

we told you what the damn game was about when you bought it, so it's your own god damn fault for being a stupid **** and buying a game for your 8 year old that allows you to bang a hooker then shoot a cop for ****s and giggles.

we had a parent return a game called BMXXX, they thought it was a harmless BMX racing game and completly failed to read the rating or even the back of the box for that matter, they returned it after Xmas when they found out the game had blonde bimbos with huge knockers riding nude on mountain bikes and lots of foul launguage.... for a friggin EIGHT YEAR OLD.

we also had comone return a copy of the new conker game, they thought it was a cute cudly adventure game because there was a squirel on the cover.

Guess what, the squirel is SMOKING and toting a friggin assault riffle and decked out in combat fatigues with a sticker in the bottom right corner "THIS GAME CONTAINS CONTENT NOT SUITABLE FOR THOSE UNDER THE AGE OF 17"

in short, Jack thompson and anyone that thinks like him can go a **** themselves.
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2006-01-11, 7:35 PM #25
Originally posted by kyle90:
You know what I just realized? The fact that a depiction of oral sex is somehow worse for children to see than, you know, the rest of GTA.

Why is violence okay buy sex is not? It seems kind of... backwards, doesn't it?

Ahh, kyle, you have stumbled upon the problems with the American public and rating system. Sex is a terrible taboo here compared to somewhere like Europe or your own native Canada, but who gives a toss about people getting their heads blown off? Seriously, I have a lot of friends who, when they were younger, could watch almost any R-rated movie, so long as there was no sex/nudity. So, pretty much anything goes in terms of vehicular manslaughter, battle scenes, etc. but as soon as someone takes off their clothes it's time to hit the eject button. :p
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2006-01-11, 7:42 PM #26
Originally posted by Grant:
WTF, does this guy even know about the ESRB? games are rated for their content and it IS ILLEGAL to sell games rated M to those under the age of 17. I work at an EB games and my manager has made this a clear and strict rule, if the person does not look 17, ask, if they still don't seem convinved, ask for ID, if they don't have any, don't sell it.

it's like booze and ciggerettes, you can't sell them to minors and I can't sell games to those under 17 without parental consent.
Actually, it's not illegal. There is no law in place (at least to my knowledge) that states minors can't purchase Mature-rated games. It's purely based on company policy.
2006-01-11, 7:49 PM #27
Which is every company's policy.

I'd be totally ok with making violent/sexual/illegal content videogames illegal for minors. Stop trying to kick the rest of us gamers in the nutsack while you do it, though.

And I love how he insults gamers at the bottom of that. It's apparent we aren't fighting for the same cause. There are lots of idiot gamers, like the illustrator behind CAD, who just want to pick a fight with him. For the most part, though, I don't think the group of parents/non-gamers and gamers that want to make gaming a safe activity for adults are getting their voices heard.

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2006-01-11, 7:52 PM #28
Originally posted by Daft_Vader:
Ahh, kyle, you have stumbled upon the problems with the American public and rating system. Sex is a terrible taboo here compared to somewhere like Europe or your own native Canada, but who gives a toss about people getting their heads blown off? Seriously, I have a lot of friends who, when they were younger, could watch almost any R-rated movie, so long as there was no sex/nudity. So, pretty much anything goes in terms of vehicular manslaughter, battle scenes, etc. but as soon as someone takes off their clothes it's time to hit the eject button. :p

My house exactly.

At 7, I saw Die Hard unrated and told f*** was a bad word. No problem.


God forbid I see a movie with sex in it at 13 when I KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
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2006-01-11, 7:55 PM #29
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2006-01-11, 8:07 PM #30
Maybe games should be sorted in stores by rating rather than just popularity, it would at least help get rid of the problem of adults buying inappropriate games for children. When you think about it, game stores tend to order things in a pretty bad way. There's generally no genre-sorting or age-sorting it's just rating and system-sorting. Which generally ends up with "oh hey, my kid has this console and this game looks popular, i'll get this".
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2006-01-11, 8:15 PM #31
Why don't we just make it policy to beat parents over the head with a stick when they buy M rated games? After a while, they're going to want to stop getting beat.
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2006-01-11, 8:25 PM #32
Originally posted by Primate:
Actually, it's not illegal. There is no law in place (at least to my knowledge) that states minors can't purchase Mature-rated games. It's purely based on company policy.


All laws on such things keep getting rejected as unconstitutional.

At Best Buy, we have that same policy, if you're under 17, sucks to be you, get older.
2006-01-11, 8:32 PM #33
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2006-01-11, 8:41 PM #34
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Which is every company's policy.
Nearly every company. I've been buying M rated games from the local Hastings since I was 15, and they've never even asked my age, let alone asked to see an ID. I doubt they're going to sell them to really young kids, however. My point was that it's not like alcohol or tobacco.
2006-01-11, 8:49 PM #35
Originally posted by Primate:
My point was that [games are] not like alcohol or tobacco.

I totally agree with you there. Sure, they both have addictive elements, only alcohol/smoking happens to give you lung cancer/hangover, while video game's affects are not directly physical and only arguably emotional. Comparing a video game to something of the nature of drugs is a bit of a stretch.
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2006-01-11, 9:12 PM #36
Actually, I was commenting on the fact that selling mature games to minors is perfectly legal. But yeah, what you said, too.
2006-01-12, 3:12 AM #37
Originally posted by Detty:
Maybe games should be sorted in stores by rating rather than just popularity, it would at least help get rid of the problem of adults buying inappropriate games for children. When you think about it, game stores tend to order things in a pretty bad way. There's generally no genre-sorting or age-sorting it's just rating and system-sorting. Which generally ends up with "oh hey, my kid has this console and this game looks popular, i'll get this".


That doesn't really work, when you go into the store to look for the game you want to buy, having them all in order of their rating doesn't help you at all. Most stores first divide it up into game system, then on the appropriate shelf they have the current top ten best-selling games and then all the rest are placed in alphabetical order. It's exactly the same in blockbuster except they place some of it in genre, but I'll still be able to find "Marty the fluffy bunny: The Movie" alongside "Murder Death Gore". At least that way, I can find what I'm looking for quite easily. The customer has a responsibility for what he buys, if you have a nut allergy and buy a bag of peanuts, you can't complain that it was sitting on a shelf next to other foods you could eat.
2006-01-12, 4:00 AM #38
1.) First of all, as mentioned, games are industry-reviewed for content (ESRB) and age restriction is not enforced by law. Some major retailers such as Blockbuster and Walmart don't carry games rated AO, which basically shut GTA:SA out of the market for a couple of months last year.
The voluntary age restriction enforcement is spotty at best, but at least the Walmart ban is keeping AO-rated games out of the mainstream. It could be worse.

2.) Major publishers and distributors actually buy/bribe prominent shelf positioning from retailers. This is fact you don't hear about very often - because major companies don't want customers to know that 'popularity' is for sale. Often even the employees are lied to about it; when I worked for Blockbuster I was routinely given a list of the top-10 most popular movie and game rentals, but those rentals often didn't come out until the following week.

3.) Jack Thompson actually managed to sound fairly sane until the last remark. I agreed with a fair amount of what he said, but I'm also in the strong minority of people who can't stand GTA or its ilk.
2006-01-12, 9:01 AM #39
Originally posted by Jon`C:
1.) First of all, as mentioned, games are industry-reviewed for content (ESRB) and age restriction is not enforced by law. Some major retailers such as Blockbuster and Walmart don't carry games rated AO, which basically shut GTA:SA out of the market for a couple of months last year.
The voluntary age restriction enforcement is spotty at best, but at least the Walmart ban is keeping AO-rated games out of the mainstream. It could be worse.


ok, might not be illegal exactly, not sure, been a while since I actually looked this up in Canadian law or what ever, I'll do that after this post just to be sure. but i do know there is a huge (or at least large) fine that can be placed on the employee if caught selling an M rated game, the second time the store gets fined and the third time could mean the employee's job. again, I'll look into this at my store for the sake to being sure.

but the point is, I have not ever sold an M rated game to somene who was not 17 as far as I know, I've turned dozens of people away because they wanted to buy Halo, While a cool game with not much bad content (violence...thats why its rated M...) I still would not sell it to them, how ever pissed off they were at me.

my orginal point still holds water tho, the ESRB is there for a reason and it's not the kids fault for getting a hold of as he puts it "Murder Simulators", its the ignorant parents who don't give two ****s what their little brat plays.

Now, my nephew has a copy of GTA:III, I gave it to him, he enjoys it... he's 8... but i've sat down with him, I've talked to him about whats right and whats wrong, that you don't do in real life what you see in games and I know he understands me and I know he just plays the game for the dirving around the city, sure he rams the occasonal cop car for a chase, but he does the missions drives around and all that stuff. he's a violent kid, but he was violent WAY before he played GTA... he's kinda the mommas boy that knows how to pull strings, when he does not get something his way he gets violent... his dads trying to fix that... but i'm rambling.

I'll let my nephew play "certain" M rated games because I've talked to him and I know he's able to tell right from wrong and won't take the games seriously, and thats why so many parents have so many things wrong with their kids, they just don't give a **** what they do. "oh, they see it in movies and TV anyway".
Originally posted by Recusant:
That doesn't really work, when you go into the store to look for the game you want to buy, having them all in order of their rating doesn't help you at all. Most stores first divide it up into game system, then on the appropriate shelf they have the current top ten best-selling games and then all the rest are placed in alphabetical order. It's exactly the same in blockbuster except they place some of it in genre, but I'll still be able to find "Marty the fluffy bunny: The Movie" alongside "Murder Death Gore". At least that way, I can find what I'm looking for quite easily. The customer has a responsibility for what he buys, if you have a nut allergy and buy a bag of peanuts, you can't complain that it was sitting on a shelf next to other foods you could eat.

Yeah, we sort our games by system, then we have a new release section for each system that has the new released from the last 4 weeks or so on it, after four weeks the old games go onto the regular wall which is sorted alphabeticly. (suprisingly enough, customers who know this still look for an A game in the S's....) we then have a "hot hits" section that head office sends us and tells us what to put there, usualy the top selling games of the month go there.


2.) Major publishers and distributors actually buy/bribe prominent shelf positioning from retailers. This is fact you don't hear about very often - because major companies don't want customers to know that 'popularity' is for sale. [/quote]
every month we have a vendor of the month that pays head office big bucks for a large display at the front of the store, this month it's Mad Catz, last month it changed every week, Sony, Ubisoft, Microsoft paid mucho grande for two weeks at the front. (during Xmas no less) but we usualy have good deals with the VOM too, as I said, Mad Catz is the VOM this month and if you pick up one MC accessory you get the second of equal or lesser value for half off.
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Often even the employees are lied to about it; when I worked for Blockbuster I was routinely given a list of the top-10 most popular movie and game rentals, but those rentals often didn't come out until the following week.

They weren't reall lying, they were just guessing... EB games does that sometimes, they anticipate a game being really good, so they tell us to put it in our hot hits section a week before it comes out hopeing that it'll sell as good as they want it to... Perfect dark Zero was a good example... it was hyped up alot before release and head office sends us stuff telling us to put it in certain places cause it's hot hit....

they want the game to sell really good so they made it a ho hit before it's even on the shelf.
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2006-01-12, 11:03 AM #40
Originally posted by Grant:
WTF, does this guy even know about the ESRB? games are rated for their content and it IS ILLEGAL to sell games rated M to those under the age of 17. I work at an EB games and my manager has made this a clear and strict rule, if the person does not look 17, ask, if they still don't seem convinved, ask for ID, if they don't have any, don't sell it.


Exept it's not illegal to sell the games to people under the age of 17. There is no law in place. Any stores that don't sell M rated games to kids do so because it's company policy, not because it's law.

Still, what you said about parents not bothering to look at the rating onhte game case is pretty true, sadly.
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