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Ha Ha Ha America
2006-01-30, 8:39 AM #1
I stumbled upon this movie the other and thought it was worth watching. LANGUAGE WARNING.

http://festival.sundance.org/2006/watch/film.aspx?which=402

17 minutes long, and very interesting. Yeah, the tone it takes does almost sound like America bashing, but it also brings up some very good points. America is rapidly losing industry to China. I hear that there is some new Chinese car company that is going to be exporting cars to America to compete in the Asian car saturated market.

I honestly don't mind China taking over industry like they are. Unless it involves human rights violations, but that's another topic for another thread. If they can produce the goods that the world will buy at cheaper cost (again, ignoring sweatshop conditions for the purpose of this argument), then I think they should have every right to.

America, along with Japan and a few places like Taiwan, some countries in Europe, etc. have so far been the leaders in technology innovation and entreprenuership. If China takes all industrial jobs away from these countries, then they will be forced to create jobs in the service industry as well as improve the quality of their innovation, or face economic extinction. I see this as a good thing, for the forced innovation will only spur the process on further.

The problem I see arising is when China becomes the leader in innovation and entreprenuership some odd years down the road. Then the economies of these other countries can more or less go bust. Sure, the service industry will still exist, but that's about it. There aren't enough jobs in service for everyone.

The other thing here is if China does become such an industrial superpower, then they can start charging whatever they want for their products. They can ramp up the cost so that the rest of the world can't afford much, and it won't cause them any grief because they still have 1.5+ billion people to sell their goods to. Of course in comes the question of culture. Americans are a button-pushing culture, used to having the comforts that will make their lives easiest. The Chinese, among others, are more industrious, and I don't see them widely accepting luxury goods, at least not as much as the US would, and that could stagnate their industry some.

In any case, it is an interesting situation that we're in, with China growing at an explosive rate and the rest of the world kind of stagnating and content to keep the status quo.

Thoughts?
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2006-01-30, 8:44 AM #2
What about the burgers?

Will they be safe in the land of the free?
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2006-01-30, 8:45 AM #3
They may take our lives, but they will never take our burgers!
2006-01-30, 8:46 AM #4
If China gets all of our jobs, what will happen to India?!

India needs American jobs too!
Ban Jin!
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2006-01-30, 8:47 AM #5
You Indians can have all of our beef processing jobs, we don't want them anymore.
2006-01-30, 8:48 AM #6
Ignorant American, it's against Indian religion to process things!
Ban Jin!
Nobody really needs work when you have awesome. - xhuxus
2006-01-30, 8:50 AM #7
:confused:

Then what does McDonalds serve in India?
2006-01-30, 8:51 AM #8
Indians will eat anything that isn't processed.

Duh.
Ban Jin!
Nobody really needs work when you have awesome. - xhuxus
2006-01-30, 8:54 AM #9
I will process your mom.
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2006-01-30, 8:54 AM #10
God Bless America.
Stuff
2006-01-30, 8:55 AM #11
This thread is getting off topic!
I'll bring it back to the point. FGR was right!
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Ban Jin!
Nobody really needs work when you have awesome. - xhuxus
2006-01-30, 8:57 AM #12
I don't want any little 5-year-old Chinese kids processing my burgers!
2006-01-30, 9:05 AM #13
Quote:
In any case, it is an interesting situation that we're in, with China growing at an explosive rate and the rest of the world kind of stagnating and content to keep the status quo.


So America is stagnating and content to keep the status quo? That's like saying a pilot is stagnating because he's reached the flight ceiling, while another pilot 20,000 feet below him is climbing at an explosive rate.

My point is, America already went through this process 100 years ago.
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2006-01-30, 9:06 AM #14
You guys don't understand international trade at all!

If we force China to stop making our burgers, all the people who give China money to make burgers will be hurt! The People Who Give China Money are an important industry to America. It's all a trade off between letting American Burger Producers make our bugers and the PWGCM.

Don't be fools, don't hurt the PWGCM!
Ban Jin!
Nobody really needs work when you have awesome. - xhuxus
2006-01-30, 9:08 AM #15
They can pry my burgers from my cold dead hands.

*pumps shotgun*
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2006-01-30, 9:12 AM #16
No matter how deep you go, there's always another level.
2006-01-30, 10:48 AM #17
American Hamburgers...
So Germany got it's world domination after all.
Sorry for the lousy German
2006-01-30, 10:48 AM #18
Originally posted by ':
-[ellequin']:confused:

Then what does McDonalds serve in India?


The Maharajah Mac! (yes, it is real as I have been to an Indian McD's)

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