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2006-01-31, 8:18 PM #1
That stupid Sheehan woman finally got arrested.

Link here

I wish she would just go live alone and not talk.

I actually just read the whole thing and shes been arrested before, which I didn't know. Discuss anyways. I dont like her.
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2006-01-31, 8:19 PM #2
Can she be given capitol punishment? I'm willing to give up all my freedoms to see her get the chair.
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2006-01-31, 8:20 PM #3
Am I the only person who is horrififed that someone can get arrested by wearing a symbol?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:23 PM #4
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Am I the only person who is horrififed that someone can get arrested by wearing a symbol?


She got arrested for demonstrating in the capitol...
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2006-01-31, 8:23 PM #5
Am I the only person who just doesn't care?
2006-01-31, 8:24 PM #6
I love America's 'You can protest anywhere but *here*' approach
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2006-01-31, 8:24 PM #7
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
']Am I the only person who just doesn't care?


No I decided to ignore her a while ago.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2006-01-31, 8:24 PM #8
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Am I the only person who is horrififed that someone can get arrested by wearing a symbol?


No. That seems odd to me, unless someone can clairy.

As far as protesting in the cap:

Quote:
Schneider said Sheehan had worn a T-shirt with an anti-war slogan to the speech and covered it up until she took her seat. Police warned her that such displays were not allowed, but she did not respond, the spokeswoman said.


Wearing a shirt? That's stretching it.
2006-01-31, 8:24 PM #9
Originally posted by Spook:
She got arrested for demonstrating in the capitol...


No she didn't. They changed her charge to unlawful conduct. Which, face it, could mean anything. The article said she sat down in her seat, uncovered her shirt, then was asked to fix it.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:25 PM #10
Originally posted by Freelancer:
No she didn't. They changed her charge to unlawful conduct.


Which is what demonstrating INSIDE a federal building is.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2006-01-31, 8:26 PM #11
......and every crime.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:27 PM #12
I dislike that woman. She disowns her son for going into the military, and suddenly uses his death as fuel for her own agenda. Her son doesn't deserve to be a martyr like that, and I mean that as in he doesn't deserve to have such a ***** of a mother.
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2006-01-31, 8:28 PM #13
I don't care who it is. That doesn't give you the right to bend the law for her, when you wouldn't for someone else. Who the hell considers one person wearing a symbol on their shirt a demonstration?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:30 PM #14
Yeah, I dare you to wear a shirt of Bush hanged in some gallows to the next SOTU address and then argue your case as "It's just a symbol on a shirt!"
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2006-01-31, 8:31 PM #15
Quote:
wear a shirt of Bush hanged in some gallows to the next SOTU address and then argue your case as "It's just a symbol on a shirt!"


Uh, Cindy Sheehan wasn't wearing anything of the sort. Flawed analogy.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:33 PM #16
I find her instantly laughable considering she supported the war at one point, but when her son DECIDED BY HIMSELF to go into the war, she goes anti.
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2006-01-31, 8:35 PM #17
In Soviet Russia, war protests you!
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2006-01-31, 8:39 PM #18
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Uh, Cindy Sheehan wasn't wearing anything of the sort. Flawed analogy.

No, it's just a symbol on a shirt. Her shirt had a death toll and asked how many more, that sounds like more or a demonstration than my shirt.
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2006-01-31, 8:44 PM #19
She's stupid.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he willingly volunteered himself for the army. No one broke that kid's arm and said "GO DIE." Whatever active conflict a person is engaged in during their service is completely irrelevant. They're people, doing a job. A sucky job, if you ask me. But they're still doing it. You can die doing this job. I think that much should be pretty clear, when you go to the recruitment office.

I can understand why she's upset. Her son died. But I totally don't care. And this isn't some "OH I LIKE LINKIN PARK AND I'M A NIHILIST" crap. Its just how it is. He volunteered, it was part of the risk. You don't see anyone getting their panties in a bunch when some new aids treatment doesn't work and someone dies anyways. (Well, atleast not on a scale this ****ing grand)

And this whole, "bring the troops back" thing is stupid if you ask me as well. We already screwed their stuff up for no damn good reason. "Liberating" an oppressed country is a crappy argument. There are worse places we could have gone first, if such were the case. You can't just start pulling people out left and right. You're ****ing over the people that have to stay even more.

And I don't think they're "protecting my freedom," in Iraq. So I don't want to here the "OMG YOU'RE UNGRATEFUL TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE ARMED FORCES PROTECTING YOUR FREEDOM" crap. Thats a weak *** argument. So is the "Foreshadowing protecting your freedom" argument.
2006-01-31, 8:46 PM #20
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Am I the only person who is horrififed that someone can get arrested by wearing a symbol?


According to the article, she was warned beforehand that such things were not allowed. If she just ignores police when they tell her not to do something, then she deserves to get arrested.
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2006-01-31, 8:46 PM #21
[QUOTE=Rogue Leader]According to the article, she was warned beforehand that such things were not allowed. If she just ignores police when they tell her not to do something, then she deserves to get arrested.[/QUOTE]

my point is she never should have been asked in the first place.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:47 PM #22
When you're on someone elses property, especially government property, you aren't allowed to wear, say, and do anything you want.
2006-01-31, 8:49 PM #23
Originally posted by Rob:
When you're on someone elses property, especially government property, you aren't allowed to wear, say, and do anything you want.


Well ****, rob. We may as well just divide into the 200 million states of America and each homeowner gets to make up their own rules. :rolleyes: We live in a society for a reason, rob
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:51 PM #24
No...no we shouldn't. It's nothing new that there are certain rules you must follow on federal property. I don't hear you complaining about the fact you can't bring a firearm into the capitol, even though you can carry one down the street.
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2006-01-31, 8:51 PM #25
You're right.
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2006-01-31, 8:52 PM #26
It's double-plus...
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2006-01-31, 8:52 PM #27
If you come on my property, I can ask you to leave for whatever reason I feel like it. I could call the cops if I wanted.

If you go to, say, the mall and wear a shirt that says "**** YOU, YOU ****ING ****!" They'll ask you to leave. If you go to the State of the Union to spout your stupid agenda and be on TV, after being told NOT TO, AND TO ****ING BEHAVE, you will be arrested.


(PS, I do get to make up rules on my own property. Its common practice, near everywhere.)
2006-01-31, 8:53 PM #28
Um, everyone DOES have their own rules. If you didn't want people who had abortions to come in your home, you can ask them to leave. If they don't leave, the cops can be called. Why the president should have to respect her activist ideas within his own state of the union address, I don't know. Do you understand the concept? It'd be like the KKK having to allowing Black Panthers to sit in on their meetings. Doesn't work.

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2006-01-31, 8:54 PM #29
Originally posted by Roach:
No...no we shouldn't. It's nothing new that there are certain rules you must follow on federal property. I don't hear you complaining about the fact you can't bring a firearm into the capitol, even though you can carry one down the street.


This is about the upheaval of the first amendment, not the fact that I can't go shoot up some senators when I feel like it. Jesus Roach, your examples are way more severe than what is actually going on here. Bringing a gun to the capitol = much more serious than wearing a shirt that doesn't depict anything all that bad.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:55 PM #30
Originally posted by JediKirby:
It'd be like the KKK having to allowing Black Panthers to sit in on their meetings.
[Rob and I are repeating eachother. That must mean we're right, or something.]


That'd be some funny **** to watch.

Oh, and you just repeat what I say because I talk to you like you're 3. Only cause you're so damn short, though.
2006-01-31, 8:56 PM #31
Originally posted by Roach:
It's double-plus...

:(

-Honestly, I can't even correctly reference Orwell anymore. I gotta start re-reading stuff.
2006-01-31, 8:56 PM #32
Originally posted by JediKirby:
Why the president should have to respect her activist ideas within his own state of the union address, I don't know. Do you understand the concept?


NO, I thought that was fairly obvious.

Stomping on the first amendment in the most American place I can think of is disturbing.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 8:56 PM #33
I hate you. I'm going to poop myself and cry in anger.
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2006-01-31, 8:57 PM #34
Originally posted by Freelancer:
This is about the upheaval of the first amendment, not the fact that I can't go shoot up some senators when I feel like it. Jesus Roach, your examples are way more severe than what is actually going on here. Bringing a gun to the capitol = much more serious than wearing a shirt that doesn't depict anything all that bad.


If you went to George Washington's state of the union address wearing a shirt that said "WOODEN TEETH AND WASHING YOUR HAIR ARE FOR SISSIES" He would have punched you in the face and then bitten it off.

Or you'd be you know, removed from the audience.

Its common practice. Act a fool at a formal event, be asked to leave.
2006-01-31, 8:58 PM #35
Originally posted by Freelancer:
NO, I thought that was fairly obvious.

Stomping on the first amendment in the most American place I can think of is disturbing.


The first amendment has no jurisdiction on PRIVATE PROPERTY. Your rights cannot infringe upon mine, thus, I can ask you to leave PRIVATE PROPERTY for ANY reason, be it first amendment or I don't like the color of your shoes, or maybe you smell bad. How does this not make sense to you? Anyone who's had high school government knows these concepts well.
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2006-01-31, 8:59 PM #36
Originally posted by Freelancer:
NO, I thought that was fairly obvious.

Stomping on the first amendment in the most American place I can think of is disturbing.


She can still have her opinion.
She can still print her opinion.
She can still voice her opinion.

The goverment didn't tell her to STOP HAVING AN OPINION, it told her to do it somewhere else.

That isn't in any way stomping on your first amendment right.
2006-01-31, 8:59 PM #37
Originally posted by Freelancer:
This is about the upheaval of the first amendment, not the fact that I can't go shoot up some senators when I feel like it. Jesus Roach, your examples are way more severe than what is actually going on here. Bringing a gun to the capitol = much more serious than wearing a shirt that doesn't depict anything all that bad.

My example deals with the Second Amendment, just as severe as freedom of speech. I don't recall ever saying anything about shooting anyone. Just that you can't carry a gun, despite the fact I can sling a rifle over my shoulder and take a stroll down the road. I'm sorry, I realize you don't like the fact that you must act a certain way around official gatherings, but you'll get along a lot better if you just accept that you follow the rules or you're arrested. It's not like they said "you can't wear that shirt!" It was "that shirt is not appropriate for this function.
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2006-01-31, 9:03 PM #38
Well I still think what the police did was borderline illegal and for all you people that think Sheehan acted like an idiot tonight, I think the government and police acted like idiots.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2006-01-31, 9:07 PM #39
You think wrong.
2006-01-31, 9:30 PM #40
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Well I still think what the police did was borderline illegal and for all you people that think Sheehan acted like an idiot tonight, I think the government and police acted like idiots.


What you personally think might be wrong has very little bearing on it's legality.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
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