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Who shot JFK?
2004-06-10, 11:04 AM #1
Remember when I told you I would never ask you guys for homework help again? Well that was a filthy dirty lie.
Okay, I need to write an essay about who shot JFK...but I don't really have a position...I've looked at some of the evidence on some conspiracies (including the one that said that AElvis shot JFK) but I don't really know what my position on it was...though I do tihnk one shot came from the grassy knoll based on the vidoe I had to watch 16 times in a row.

anyway...the paper should cover:
what role was played by Lee Harvey Oswald?
What role was played by Jack Ruby?
What were the specific findings of the Warren Report? What findings do you accept? reject? What is your overall overall evaluation of the Warren Report?
Which conspiracy theories do you support? reject?
Do you have a new theory concerning the events of November 22, 1963?

I'm really sorry I keep asking you guys for hw help, but I figured this is one some people might have some fun with anyway.

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2004-06-10, 11:08 AM #2
Watch the Kevin Costner movie JFK, it'll give you some details.

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2004-06-10, 11:09 AM #3
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2004-06-10, 11:11 AM #4
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2004-06-10, 11:17 AM #5
It has to have been 2 people, thats been proved multiple times. And I think Lee Harvey Oswald fired one of the guns, the question is, who fired the other?!

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2004-06-10, 11:23 AM #6
yeah, I personally watched a large chunk of JFK's head blasted away 16 yimes i slow motion and I see no way the gun could have been fired from behind when his head unmistakeably goes back and to the left and the big chunk missing out of his head is definitley out of the front right.

But the other questio is who were they with/working for and of couse, how many shots were fired?

Oh and the "magic bullett" doesn't seem so outlandish accoring to this picture:
[http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt-faa.jpg]
but wouldn't going right through a body significantly lower the velocity of the bullett...how could it go through Connally too?

and do you think the assassination was on behalf of Fidel Castro, the mob, the CIA...someone else?

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2004-06-10, 12:19 PM #7
Run to the used book store or library and pick up a copy of "The Killing of a Presdient" by Robert Groeden (I think I have the author right), it's an aaamazingly detailed collection of everything to do with the assassination. I did a book report on it last year.

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2004-06-10, 6:12 PM #8
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2004-06-10, 6:13 PM #9
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2004-06-10, 6:21 PM #10
Pfft, JFK's not dead, the govnt just died him black and he got stuck in an old folks home with a bag of sand for a piece of his brain.
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2004-06-10, 7:09 PM #11
there was a Red Dworf episode covering this issue. aparently he, his future self came to the past, and shot his past self.He did this in order to to prevent him from going to jail/discracing his family for criminal acts (i dont know what thay were)

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2004-06-10, 7:20 PM #12
The reason why he fell back is because his vertebra was hit, (hence the arms coming up to the collar bone(comong reaction to spinal cord injury)) and the nervous system reacts reverse to what touches it, apparently. the bullet took a chunk out of the front right of his head... so he reacted by flying to the back left. keep in mind he was also wearing a back brace, which would absorb most of the impact of a bullet hitting him in the head, causing him not to fall in the direction of the force applied by the bullet, but in the direction that his nervous systerm told the muscles to move in.

The bullet went through the soft tissue of JFK's neck(muscle isnt that much to blow through with a high calibre rifle bullet), chipped the side of his vertebrea(which most likely accounts for the change of path, and explained why he did the arms to the collar move), exited out his throat, went into connaly's chest, was then already slowed down enough to blow out one of his ribs, but not take damage to the bullet, went through his wrist at a slower speed and finally rested in his leg.

Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.

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2004-06-10, 7:38 PM #13
Andrew Lloyd Weber. At the theater, which was currently playing CATS.
2004-06-10, 9:06 PM #14
The 'magic bullet' picture assumes that the other bloke is sitting directly infront of him, as in a normal car.
But that car was not, as his seat was slightly lowered down. I assume this was so he didn't get in way of people taking pictures of the president. If you take this into consideration, and follow the path of the bullet up then it does lead back to the warehouse or whatever where Lee Harvey Oswald is said to have fired from.

There are several large errors in the film JFK. It's not supposed to be representativ of the truth, it's supposed to be a good film. The 'back forth back' business gives no representation of where the bullet was fired from. If I shoot you, you could fall forwards, backwards or to the side.
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2004-06-11, 12:35 AM #15
There was no magic bullet. The guy in front was sitting lower down and to one side. The bullet passed through both men. Three shots were fired from one gun. Any other 'shots' heard were probably echoes.

I remember that from the Britlandish program about who shot Kennedy a few months back... but the Britlandish one said that there was only one gunman, while the American one said there were definitely two.

Oh, and Tikka To Ride, anyone?

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2004-06-11, 1:48 AM #16
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2004-06-11, 12:57 PM #17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Elana14:
there was a Red Dworf episode covering this issue. aparently he, his future self came to the past, and shot his past self.He did this in order to to prevent him from going to jail/discracing his family for criminal acts (i dont know what thay were)

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I only understand English. So what was it you're saying?

Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, it was proven in some Discovery Channel thing. They tried all the theories out there (underpass, bridge, etc) and only one worked--LHO's location. Not only that but they proved that he could get down from where he was, and go to where he was going in the amount of time given to him. It was really detailed.

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2004-06-12, 1:44 AM #18
More interesting is the fat guy that killed LHO. There are lots of theories that he was hired by the Mafia, and I haven't really heard any disproofs of that. Apprently, he was sent to 'silence' LHO (as he worked for the Mafia too, or something). Whatever happened to him?

Also, I think it's an interesting parallel.. Lee Harvey Oswald, the young, smooth, well-spoken Communist assassin killed by Jack Ruby, the sleazy, fat, violent capitalist night-club owner..
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2004-06-12, 2:21 AM #19
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Let's get a couple of things straight:

1) It's not THAT hard to understand Elana, it just requires a bit of cognitive ability. Bad spelling is much easier to tolerate than the depressing amount of people who take every opportunity they can to insult and belittle her

2) Aside from a few typos, her post made perfect sense and was completely accurate to what she was talking about so your complaint is completely irrelevant.

So cut it out, this goes for everyone else who has made similar remarks in other threads.


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2004-06-12, 3:00 AM #20
Also, that's a great Red Dwarf episode.
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2004-06-12, 3:00 AM #21
As a synopsis of Tikka To Ride, Kryten gets his guilt chip removed and uses his groinal socket a lot more. There's a lack of curry, so the gang use the newly discovered Time Drive to head over to Dallas '63 for a curry. Then, they get caught up in the whole thing... "We've been copied more times than that poster of the tennis girl scratching her butt" is a very memorable line from the Cat. Effectively, they foil the assassination by first accidentally killing Oswald by effectively cutting a cable, while then they foil the plot by sending him up one floor and only injuring Kennedy. Then, moving into 1966 or so, they find out that everywhere's been evacuated due to the womanising Kennedy... so they've got copies on the fourth, fifth and sixth floors of the TBD. Then...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> LISTER: (scanning the street from out of the window) If we could arrange, somehow, for a second gunman to fire from just behind that little hill over there covered in lawn...
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Lister spots a grassy knoll, and he goes to speak to Kennedy about being the gunman behind the grassy knoll, to which Kennedy inquires about shooting himself. The reply comes, "Yeah! It'll drive the conspiracy nuts crazy, but they'll never figure it out." Back on the grassy knoll, and he assassinates himself, being the gunman behind the grassy knoll.

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2004-06-12, 3:02 AM #22
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2004-06-12, 3:13 AM #23
Oh, that's boring.
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2004-06-12, 5:05 AM #24
Interesting to note that Oswald was under surveillance by the CIA but they didnt stop him from running about with guns.

I used to know a lot more but it's been 2 years since I've actually cared.

I just remember that someone said that a US government employee under the guise of a KGB agent solicited Oswald's help in the assassination. The entire thing was done in order to keep American troops in Vietnam because of the massive amount of government spending that went to defense contractors (similar to the Merchants of Death in WW I). Kennedy wanted to pull the troops out asap and so they bumped him off. I also remember the agents involved in Watergate were in Dallas at the time and one of them was an ex-military sniper.

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2004-06-12, 5:41 AM #25
Actually, this entire thing is interesting. We watched a movie on it in my AP Gov class (well.. it's not my class. I was just sitting in) and when they started talking about what kind of gun Oswald used, this gunguru next to me fell out of his chair. He said it was impossible for a bullet, ESPECIALLY from that type of gun, to go through JFK's head, the seat, and Connelly. (s?)

It's also interesting to note that JFK was wearing a back brace, else the first time he was shot he would have slumped over and STAYED slumped over, instead of bouncing back up, lining himself up for another shot.

I agree with you sugy about there being two shooters, just because of how his body moved when shot.
So:
1. You could say that Oswald was one of the only shooter arrested.
2. Ruby shot Oswald while he was being transported to a different, more secure facility.



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2004-06-12, 6:31 AM #26
This site seems to be full of debunkings of various myths and such, including talk about evidences forged by the KGB or whatever.. http://jfkassassination.net/home.htm

I haven't really looked through it much but i ran acrosst it looking for something else. A long time ago in a history course we saw a bunch of diagrams of various theories as to his assassination, one of the most memorable ones was the gun-turret hidden in Jackie's hat.

I, however, am a very strong proponent of the Everybody Shot Him theory, which is basically self-explanatory.

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2004-06-12, 8:55 AM #27
Anyone read that thing that drew parallels between JFK's and Lincoln's murders? (It was in a Ripley book [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]) .. things like

JFK's killer shot him from a warehouse and ran into a theater

Lincoln's killer shot him from a theater and ran into a warehouse

Something about their date of births or deaths or something, the number of letters in the killers' and their names, etc etc

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