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2004-06-12, 8:45 AM #1
Hate to ask this, but I'm getting desperate.

[http://216.170.11.226/pub/problem.jpg]

Determine the value of a which minimizes the perpendicular distance from point C to a section of pipeline that passes through points A and B.

The solution is a=2.08 m.

This is from the chapter on moments, so I'm guessing we minimize the distance by minimizing the moments.

This is what I have so far:

A: (0,-2,3)
B: (8,5,-6)
C: (-1,8,a)

I'm taking vector AB to be the force vector.

F=<8,7,-9>=F(lamda)AB=1/13.9 <8,7,-9>

r=CA=<1,-1.2,3-a>

Thus the moment is (X designates cross product):
M=r X F

Code:
| i    j      k   |
| 1    -1.2   3-a |
| 8    7      -9  |


=1/13.9 ( (7a-10.2)i + (33-8a)j + 16.6k)

From this point, I'm stuck. I know that M=Fd=F*r*cos (theta).

The hint the instructor gave included finding the magnitute of M and setting it equal to d. But that leaves too many unknowns, M, |F|, and a. Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks


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2004-06-12, 9:34 AM #2
My brain hurts just looking at that.

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2004-06-12, 11:53 AM #3
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2004-06-12, 4:08 PM #4
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My brain hurts just looking at that.
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2004-06-12, 4:24 PM #5
what the hell would ythe average person use something like that for?



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2004-06-12, 4:29 PM #6
WTF is that? Calculus?
if yes, then whoopie! Do I have one heck of a school year ahead of me [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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2004-06-12, 4:33 PM #7
Nah, its called engineering statics, which is basically like physics expect you only look at an instant in time, so basically nothing ever moves. Though I'm an engineering major, I see no reason for this class, I could understand for mech-es and civ-es, but not me (tentatively a chem-e). As for calculus, I've thought about using it, it might be easier. Simple linear optimization or maybe LaGrange multipliers. But I won't get full credit if I did it one of those ways, cause that's not what the concepts are. Calc II is a prerequiste, but I have yet to use it.

Anybody with a suggestion?

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2004-06-12, 5:07 PM #8
It's simple, the answere is *snipe*

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2004-06-12, 7:33 PM #9
Ok, got it.

First off, Aaron made a stupid mistake.

r=CA=<1,-1.2,3-a> is not right, I subtracted wrong, it should be:
r=CA=<1,-2.8,3-a>

Then what you have to do, is find the magnitude of M (w/ or w/o the 1/13.9), in this case: (113a^2-469.2a+1971)^.5, and find the value of a, which minimizes the value of d, in this case, a=2.0761062, which I determined graphically. So now I just got to do the work to show how to find it by hand (no big deal, just another step), so thanks for all the help guys [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]
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2004-06-12, 8:20 PM #10
See, I knew that. Just the sniper who's name is *snipe*

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