http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1679439

All I can say is that the kid who recorded that won't be graduating from that high school. With that many kids walking out of the class in protest, you know the next 2 years will be very difficult for him.

That teacher totally got Godwin'd

well at least someone said it, its just a shame that people are making such a fuss out of the truth.

In all seriousness, it is kind of a true statement. I mean, it does ring true of things Hitler and other fascist extreme imperialists would say. It's not like he put a spin or it or anything.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2006/index.html

I did a search for the words MILITARY, DUTY and OUR DUTY and found nothing resembling that quote.

I also searched the State of the Union address in 2005.

The subject of geography doesn't really necessitate a political rant, least of all one comparing the president of a democratic country with a totalitarian racial supremacist. Exteriorly Bush's speech may have been similar to those of tyrants, but most neutral people should be able to agree the intent of Hitler, that is, the "purification" of human blood and world domination to achieve this goal, and the intent of Bush, which in the case of this speech presumably involves the war in Iraq or some other of his controversial decisions*, are very dissimilar. Which begs the question, why compare Bush with Hitler, and, even if it wasn't intended by the teacher, hint they have analogous objectives? Relying on serious hyperbole of this sort is never a good tactic, especially when as a teacher he has the responsibility of having a neutral point of view.

Sounds like another ****e teacher. I would have fired him on the grounds he was an incompetent teacher for using the topic of geography as a platform for his idiotic opinions.

*I didn't hear his address

People are way too sensative these days.

And you said you had "Freedom of speech" Pfft you'r about as free AS A Lamborghini!
[Thanks MB]

Lamborghini

lol, wow. That's all I have to say.

People just need to learn to accept the fact that people have differing opinions and STFU!

It's one thing to have freedom of speech, it's another thing to waste a student's time by using them as your own rant audience. They're there to learn, not listen to some teacher spout off about Bush.

If a teacher wanted to actually have a lesson in which you find the hyprocritical statements done by Presidents (especially Bush) compared to people we deem as "evil monsters" then that would be different.

Comparing the two is ridiculous anyways, Hitler could pronounce words.

I have distilled the article:

- The student who submitted the tape thinks he is superior to his fellow students and has an obligation to decide what they should and should not learn, and assumes they will mindlessly accept what they hear as fact.
- I agree with the professor. It is the same message our beloved Star Wars teaches... if we are not careful we will become the very thing we set out to destroy.

I see this suspension as perfectly fine. It's not like the teacher got sent to jail or anything, the reason he got suspended was probobly not necissarily so much because of his views, but more because it was a rant that was completely off-subject to whatever learning they were actually supposed to be doing. You are not supposed to deviate from your curruiculum to satisfy your own personal wants/needs.

My teacher can go off subject. One time she kept us after class ended to go off subject and we missed the bus. Nothing criminally wrong with that, although it's annoying.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]In all seriousness, it is kind of a true statement. I mean, it does ring true of things Hitler and other fascist extreme imperialists would say. It's not like he put a spin or it or anything.[/QUOTE]

Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the things Bush is saying sound like things Hitler said because they both sound like things that almost all leaders say? The overwhelming majority of history's presidents, prime ministers, kings and despots have used nationalist rhetoric to one degree or another, so why compare Bush to Hitler specifically?

My students would celebrate if I got canned.

Well, ok, most of them would celebrate.

Bush came to power more through a dictatorship than Hitler ever did. Hitler was elected into a democratic government. The German people have only themselves to blame for him coming to power because they gave him that ability. Bush the first time was not even truly elected, he came to power because the supreme court, who the judges are chosen by a president (And 5 were Republican and 4 Democrat) chose to seal the ballot boxes, thus making it impossible for them recount and see that Al Gore was elected.

In many schools Geography teachers are also Civics/Government teachers.
So yes, a political discussion in class is quite possible.

LOL CONSPIRACY!

Oh, and here is another thing Hitler did that Bush couldn't do.

He took a dirt sucking poor country, where people were eating their own shoes that had leather on them, and managed to make them into a prosperous nation and world power again where people made money.

Bush took a rich country with a major surplus, people with lots of money and didn't have alot of worries, and managed to flush it down the toilet faster than an unwanted pregnancy on prom night and caused alot of problems.

The main difference though of course is Hitler was an evil man who was responsible for millions of deaths, and I hope that prick is burning in hell.

Yeah THRAWN, Hitler and Bush are identical, except for that one tiny little difference.

I bet if he had the chance he'd have every Muslim in this country shot, arrested, and have the children killed so they couldn't rise up and become enemies.

But I love how you took everything I said and couldn't even make response except for the major negative thing. Why? Cause I proved you wrong on everything else.

Er... have you lost your mind?

Dear god....Go stick to whining about your mother, okay? Don't spout out random nonsense that you absolutly have no way of knowing whether it is true or not.

And also, check your facts about "Hitler being voted chancellor by democracy". That's hardly the case. If you read about the "Weimar Republic", you'll see that it was hardly a great democratic institution. It was so full of holes. Not to mention Hindenburg was practically senile when he offered the position of chanceller to Hitler, not to mention he was facing pressure from a rumor that Schleicer was going to plan a military coup. Hindenburg was forced into giving Hitler power.

If you look at the Nazi voting results, they lost to Hindenburg...a lot. "In the first election, held on March 13, 1932, Hitler received 30 percent of the vote, losing badly to Hindenburg's 49.6 percent. But because Hindenburg had just missed an absolute majority, a run-off election was scheduled a month later. On April 10, 1932, Hitler increased his share of the vote to 37 percent, but Hindenburg again won, this time with a decisive 53 percent. A clear majority of the voters had thus declared their preference for a democratic republic." The Nazis finally got the majority seats in the Reichstag, but it still wasn't enough to elect Hitler. Hell, when Hitler was "elected" chancellor, he STILL didn't have a majority in the Reichstag. From that point on, Hitler eliminated his opponents, (with the help of Goebbels).

Yeah THRAWN, what the hell are you talking about.

Yeah, but I'm talking about the end result, not their paths into leadership. Once elected, Hitler mutated his country into a totalitarian state through the Gleichschaltung. Once elected, Bush was and is still a leader of a democratic country. Big difference.

Anyway, assuming for one absurd moment Bush "cheating" his way into office is fact, paths into leadership obviously don't predetermine the quality of a ruler, as you have so perfectly demonstrated.

The burden of proof is on you. You have NO way to know that Gore was elected better than anyone else. If somehow you do (the zetas did not tell you) you had better tell us.



This country is not down the toilet. This country is having a hard time. Sensationalism=no good.



****ing God, I can't believe I actually just read that. That is ABSURD, holy hell that is indescribably insane. Do you honestly believe that? I think you just discredited anything you have to say in the future to any rational person.

You did not prove anything. You provided, ZERO evidence, ZERO facts to back up what you proposed, and most of all, you're saying things that are completely preposterous.

Hopefully this incident will persuade Jay Bennish (the Geography teacher in the article) to teach his subject objectively (or at all). His students sound like they're being neglected.

Yes. That's all it was. A right wing conspiracy to put Bush in office, and not Gore. Look up the case. Read about it. Turn off your super-subjective, biased brain, then talk about the election.



Take a class on encomics and you'll learn that a country's leader can do little more than gently nudge an econmy and hope his policy has an effects. Bush inherited an economy that was already in a recesion caused by the tech bubble bursting. Then consumer confidence when down the toilet because of 9/11, which was completely out of the Bush administration's control (unless you;re one of those dumb 9/11 consiracy theorists). Taking all that into account, the economy has been slowly growing since then and has actually recovered wuite well. Little of that recovery has to do with the President, however. The strength of a nation's economy comes from consumer confidence, which is people's willingness to spend their money.

But hey, it's cool to rant and rave about how bad Bush is because everyone else is doing it, and because everyone else is doing it, I don't need to know why they are.

Actually a few studies have been since done, determining Gore did in fact have more votes. I always assumed it was Bush who won though, even my uber left wing nut job college government teacher said Gore lost. But I've since been proven wrong.



Yes, I am so incredibly ****ing biased that I LOOKED UP THE PREVIOUS TWO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESSES THAT GEORGE BUSH DID, TO SEE IF IN FACT HE DID AT ANY POINT IN TIME SAY THAT THE US GOVERNMENT SHOULD USE THE ARMY TO FORCE THE REST OF THE WORLD TO LIKING US, AND ONLY TO SAY "OMG LOOK, NOT ONCE DOES HE SAY THAT IN HIS SPEECH" I POSTED MY END RESULTS HERE SAYING HEY LOOK! HE DID NOT SAY IT IN HIS SPEECH! I DID A SEARCH FOR MILITARY AND DUTY AND OUR DUTY, AND OMG WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT BUT NOT ONCE DID HE SAY THAT! WOW DON'T I FEEL LIKE AN ***! HERE I THOUGHT HE DID SAY THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE TEACHER SAID! BUT WOW LOOK, THERE IT IS ON THE OFFICAL WHITE HOUSE WEBSITE SAYING HE DID NOT SAY IT! I COULD OF LOOKED IT UP AND SAID "OMG THE ARTICLE IS WRONG! MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT AND MAKE PEOPLE CONTINUE HATING BUSH! But instead I posted the state of the union address so you all could read it and see it doesn't say it.

So next time you think Im being bias back up a little bit and realize I just ****ing defended that guy.

Damn you're all nazis.

Geez.

If you're going to demonstrate your opinion. Don't be an idiot, and don't say stupid **** to back it up.

omg Godwin's :p

Avenger

Not. Once. In. The. History. Of. The. World. Has. A. Tax. Cut. Been. Granted. When. A. Country. Is. At. War.

Not. ONCE.

And yet here we are at war, and Bush was giving tax cuts. WHILE WE ARE AT WAR. The guy took a surplus of several, several, several billion and literally **** on it and put us in a deficit. So don't tell me this country when down the crapper because of 9/11. It went down the toilet because he gave tax cuts while we were trying to take out Osama Bin Ladin and Saddam and he said "Hey, people! Here's money! But only for the rich, the middle class won't get the breaks the rich do!"

Edit: Oh yeah I forgot to mention, the reason Im not *****ing about my mom? I moved out. Gone. Left. Grabbed my crap and got an apartment with my friend. Woman out of my life and I don't speak to her. She doesn't even know how to get in touch with me as I changed my cell phone number and she has no idea where I work now and I didn't tell her where I lived. Only my brothers can get in touch with me.

Do you even know what the tax cut plan actually was? The tax cut was across the board for everyone. The "only the rich got a tax cut" is a liberal spin to attack the plan. Nothing more.

Yeah, yeah, and that's why I have been paying more each year since Bush was in office, despite getting the same annual income, same amount taxed, etc. etc. etc. I've heard this from everyone, liberals, conservatives, socialists, commies (no joke). All I know is at the end of the day I've gotten less money back while making the same amount.

Howabout you quit *****ing and do something about it then.

Like what? Assassinate the people who voted for the bill to pass? (SARCASM!) I can't control congress, hell I've spoken to my congressman and the guy pretty much said he backs up Bush no matter what, so I stopped voting for him. Yeah, not much I can do.

So I got a better job.

Protest, get the word out. All I hear are you whiners *****ing about ****, and then not wanting do **** to fix it, then making up excuses to as why you can't.