<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">1 John 4:7-8 - Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

This verse is an important one. If God is love, how can he hate? It just doesn't add up. How can God hate America? How can God hate homosexuals? Such things contradict God's very being.

God doesn't hate sinners. Sin displeases God, indeed, but there is quite a difference in being displeased and hating.

In regards to homosexuality (I'm assuming your site is an affiliate of godhatesfags.com, or vice versa), there's something I've never understood, and if you could explain it to me, I'd be interested to read it. Why do we think that sexual sins are greater than others? There simply isn't Biblical support for this. Leviticus 18:22 states that homosexuality is an abomination. It does NOT say that homosexuals are an abomination, but that the act or state of homosexuality is. There's a big difference, and it's one I think you should consider.

Romans 3:10 and 3:23 make it abundantly clear: ALL have sinned. But can sin separate us from God? There is but one, and it is unbelief, and the reason for it being the greatest sin is simple: faith in Jesus saves you. Without belief, there cannot be faith. Without faith, there cannot be salvation. No other sin does this. NONE.

Peace be upon you all, and God Bless.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It doesn't add up because you don't believe the Bible. The love of God is keeping His commandments. Try these verses out for size.

Leviticus 20:23 - And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

Leviticus 26:30 - And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Deuteronomy 32:19 - And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Psalm 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 5:6 - Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3 - For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

Psalm 11:5 - The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalm 53:5 - There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them.

Psalm 73:20 - As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Psalm 78:59 - When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:

Psalm 106:40 - Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Proverbs 6:16-19 - These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 22:14 - The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein.

Lamentations 2:6 - And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Hosea 9:15 - All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Zechariah 11:8 - Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Malachi 1:3 - And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I don't believe the Bible? Oh, OK. That makes my time spent as a worship leader look pretty foolish then, doesn't it?
If the love of God is keeping His commandments, we have ALL failed in this. Mankind always has failed here. It is why we need Jesus. Jesus fulfilled the laws of the old testament. It is not by works that you are saved. Period. Romans 10:9 - because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
The verses you quoted are all Old Testament, written during a time when there was no salvation.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fishstickz:
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Apparently...

www.godhatesamerica.com

and gays:

www.godhatesfags.com</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fishstickz:
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DJ Yoshi:
Dogs wins!</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
So. DogSRoOL posts a load of quotes that suggest that God doesn't hate, and blokey responds with a load of quotes that suggest that God does hate. I totally don't see the argument here. Blokey has more of them.
All this shows is how the Bible contradicts itself.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Trigger Happy Chewie:
People like that should be hung and shot...</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolfy:
In the 1950's.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
So. DogSRoOL posts a load of quotes that suggest that God doesn't hate, and blokey responds with a load of quotes that suggest that God does hate. I totally don't see the argument here. Blokey has more of them.
All this shows is how the Bible contradicts itself.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blackbelt7:
You see, God made humans to be attracted towards the opposite sex. I think that homosexuals just are making it up or trying to get attention. It just sounds corny to me. I honestly believe every person has the potential to be straight.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blackbelt7:
You see, God made humans to be attracted towards the opposite sex. I think that homosexuals just are making it up or trying to get attention. It just sounds corny to me. I honestly believe every person has the potential to be straight.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:

Or does the 'act of homosexuality' refer to any sex, non-penetrative, fellatio, even kissing?</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
Right. I had no idea Blokey's were from the old testament or whatever. Surely but that logic, though, the Qu'ran over-rules the New Testament?</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Also, is no-one else getting tired of threads with "please don't start debating!!" at the start. What exactly is the point of the thread? Just so everyone can post in agreement with the thread starter and everyone else? Perhaps Massassi needs a non-discussion forum.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Someone said somewhere that homosexuality itself is not a sin, but the act of homosexuality is. So actually being attracted to members of the same sex is not a sin?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And also, surely this means that there's nothing at all wrong with lesbians, considering they can't do that without..additional apparatus
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Or does the 'act of homosexuality' refer to any sex, non-penetrative, fellatio, even kissing?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DogSRoOL:

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No. Doesn't the Qu'ran say that Jesus wasn't even crucified? Historians might disagree. The Qur'an actually tries to re-write the Bible. The NT was a fulfillment of OT laws, not an abolition of them.

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Quran Surah 4:157-158,

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah., but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise."
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GHORG:
fulfillment, abolition, icky picky

you were the one up the top saying NT over-rides OT</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
Yeah, you're right, but it does say that it was 'made to appear' that he was. It seems that Allah made it appear that Jesus was crucified, but it didn't actually happen. Yes, I'm not quite sure why either.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">But where exactly is the 'historical evidence' that he was?</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Also, it shows that the NT is used by historians as a source. If it's so corrupt and has been altered, why would historians still use it?
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