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2006-03-29, 11:06 AM #41
Well... you can in some states, but not others. Honestly it kind of dumb because no one is going to kill someone with a gun like that that's acquired legally.
2006-03-29, 11:41 AM #42
I own 3 at the moment.
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2006-03-29, 11:58 AM #43
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Well... you can in some states, but not others. Honestly it kind of dumb because no one is going to kill someone with a gun like that that's acquired legally.
If you're thinking rationally, maybe. Cold-blooded, rational serial or professional killers probably won't, but some drunk dude who caught his wife in bed with his best friend just might.
2006-03-29, 11:59 AM #44
I don't own any real steel guns but my Grandpa had a few military rifles before he died. (He was in the Navy) I only have Airsoft replicas.

It is actually legal to own full auto replicas as a civilian if you have the proper license which is very very strict and very expensive, that's why you hardly ever hear about it. Uzi's, P90's, etc. are all available to these people as well as law enforcement and military personnel. Pretty much the sky's the limit if you have the certification. And the money. It's not nearly as lax as people think it is.
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2006-03-29, 12:03 PM #45
Originally posted by Jon`C:
If you're thinking rationally, maybe. Cold-blooded, rational serial or professional killers probably won't, but some drunk dude who caught his wife in bed with his best friend just might.



A person like that would almost certainly not be the kind of person who would be able to get his hands on one of those. The only cases I see those kind of weapons being used are in gang wars and stuff.
2006-03-29, 12:04 PM #46
I have about 7 handguns. All of em are revolvers and 6 are in a glass display case. I only have one that I actually have ammo for.
2006-03-29, 12:09 PM #47
Unless you're a collector, what's the point of having multiple guns? The most you can use at any one time is 2.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I don't own one. Me, I prefer the ol' tomahawk. :)

Or, in place of a tomahawk, a small hammer. :em321:
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2006-03-29, 12:18 PM #48
I want a Colt Navy Revolver, but the odds of that are pretty slim.
2006-03-29, 12:20 PM #49
Originally posted by Jon`C:
If you're thinking rationally, maybe. Cold-blooded, rational serial or professional killers probably won't, but some drunk dude who caught his wife in bed with his best friend just might.


IIRC the last fully automatic weapon used in a crime was the LA bank robbery. Before that it was in 1938, I think.
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2006-03-29, 12:58 PM #50
Originally posted by Matterialize:
Unless you're a collector, what's the point of having multiple guns? The most you can use at any one time is 2.


For hunters, you use different guns for different game. Plus sometimes you're just in a different mood. Plinking around with a .22 or blowing the hell out of something at close range with a shotgun...and blowing the hell out of something at long range witha 30-06 or 30-30 or .308 or something. Plus there's the coolness factor of using an SKS....oh man I need money.
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2006-03-29, 1:04 PM #51
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2006-03-29, 1:24 PM #52
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you mean .22 caliber right?


Nope, 22mm. I have a problem with armored vehicles and tanks going down my street at night and waking me up, so I have to take them out every once in a while.

Seriously, I can't believe I made that mistake. Yes, caliber. :)
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2006-03-29, 1:27 PM #53
this thread needs more empty brass... (i got bored and everything i needed to make this photo was right there in front of me)

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2006-03-29, 1:30 PM #54
Originally posted by Jon`C:
All around it's much, much more useful.


For what, killing people?
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2006-03-29, 1:31 PM #55
Nope, no guns for me, I'm just armed with wit and charm. ;)
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2006-03-29, 1:37 PM #56
My dad owns a 22 and a shotgun.

We're Canadian though, so it doesn't much help your poll.
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2006-03-29, 1:37 PM #57
no guns for me, unless you count the 2 airsoft guns my brother uses to shoot me when I'm back home and on the computer
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2006-03-29, 1:55 PM #58
My father owns 12+, and I got a .22 for Christmas last year (2004 Xmas)
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2006-03-29, 2:01 PM #59
[QUOTE=Kieran Horn]Nope, 22mm. I have a problem with armored vehicles and tanks going down my street at night and waking me up, so I have to take them out every once in a while.

Seriously, I can't believe I made that mistake. Yes, caliber. :)[/QUOTE]


We have a 13mm rifle.
2006-03-29, 2:06 PM #60
Silly American sterotypes...we don't fight with guns. We fight fight in hand-to-hand combat.
2006-03-29, 2:14 PM #61
I own an mp5, m-16 with grenade launcher attached, claymore mines, remotely detonated c4 charges, a SAW machine gun, a bunch of chinese guns I dont know the names of, an m1 tank, a t-90 tank, a few APCs, a Linebacker anti-aircraft tank, an apache helicopter, an f-15, an f-18, a Chinese J-10, a soviet Mig, a Hummer (NOT an h2) with mounted machine gun, and an unlimited supply of ammo and hand grenades, not to mention my knife.

You'd think it would be hell finding a place to store all this stuff, but luckily they all fit onto a disc.
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2006-03-29, 2:22 PM #62
naming off the guns in a video game just makes you look stupid
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2006-03-29, 2:35 PM #63
Two pellet guns (shottie and a pistol :o ), a .303 and a sawed-off .454.
2006-03-29, 3:17 PM #64
Originally posted by Jon`C:
If you're thinking rationally, maybe. Cold-blooded, rational serial or professional killers probably won't, but some drunk dude who caught his wife in bed with his best friend just might.


Go check how many crimes were committed with registered (ie legal) Class III firearms. ;)

Originally posted by Jedigreedo:
I don't own any real steel guns but my Grandpa had a few military rifles before he died. (He was in the Navy) I only have Airsoft replicas.

It is actually legal to own full auto replicas as a civilian if you have the proper license which is very very strict and very expensive, that's why you hardly ever hear about it. Uzi's, P90's, etc. are all available to these people as well as law enforcement and military personnel. Pretty much the sky's the limit if you have the certification. And the money. It's not nearly as lax as people think it is.


No "license" is required, though there is a $200 ATF tax stamp (transfer fee) and months of waiting for paperwork to clear.
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2006-03-29, 3:26 PM #65
I just got in the house from shooting.

Dad's got some single shot break open .357 rifle that I adore. That rifle is sexy, even though it's got some JB-Weld and solder on the end for the front site. :p
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2006-03-29, 4:16 PM #66
Originally posted by Matterialize:
Unless you're a collector, what's the point of having multiple guns? The most you can use at any one time is 2.
For IPSC competitions you need a standard sidearm-type pistol and an assault rifle or carbine. Shotguns can be fun too. So can revolvers. Maybe for target shooting you want a different calibre handgun. And that carbine you own for IPSC probably won't help you much for long-range target shooting.

Originally posted by petmc20:
[About the FS2000 being better]
For what, killing people?
Again: The PS90 does not have rails. It does not have iron sights. It only has a built-in red dot sight.

You will not be able to attach a scope, iron sights or a reflex sight to a PS90 unless you alter it. It's worth saying that even the P90 TR's rail placement is bad enough, and it doesn't include the red dot sight under that either.

The FS2000 is better for target shooting because you can put a scope on it. It's better for IPSC competitions because the clips are less awkward, you don't have to buy special satchels and harnesses to hold them, and reloading is more natural compared with other guns. It has a similar grip, it's still forward-ejecting and it has the P90-style fire selector.

At any rate, you should think about why you want a PS90. If the words "Star" and "Gate" are in your list of reasons, you should reconsider anyway.

Originally posted by JLee:
Go check how many crimes were committed with registered (ie legal) Class III firearms.
I wasn't talking about crimes involving automatic weapons, I was talking about crimes committed with registered firearms.
2006-03-29, 4:20 PM #67
If I was going to kill someone I would probably use a silenced, illiegal (so as not to be traced) long range rifle. If I was going to go on a rampage I would make bombs, put them in a Wal-Mart and detonate them on the day after thanks giving. If I wanted to kill a person face to face I'd use a silenced pistol.
2006-03-29, 4:33 PM #68
Originally posted by HCF_Duke:
No... only law enforcement are allowed such guns(not sure on uzis but definitly P90's)


The M16 is just the military designation for the AR-15 (made by Colt). Semi-automatic AR-15 models are legal in the US.

When I get the money, I plan on building an AR-15 and buying a GLOCK pistol.:)
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2006-03-29, 4:34 PM #69
I recommend you delete that post.
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2006-03-29, 5:01 PM #70
Originally posted by Jon`C:
At any rate, you should think about why you want a PS90. If the words "Star" and "Gate" are in your list of reasons, you should reconsider anyway.


:em321:

I do find it a cool weapon, just SG-1 happened to be the first place I saw it.

Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
bad stuff


yeah, that post isn't going to last long
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2006-03-29, 5:16 PM #71
Quote:
I wasn't talking about crimes involving automatic weapons, I was talking about crimes committed with registered firearms.


Afaik, we don't register anything in NH - just Class III (and the other category for shortbarreled shotguns..can't recall off the top of my head). Heck, my CC permit was only $10.. :)
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2006-03-29, 5:34 PM #72
Originally posted by JLee:
Afaik, we don't register anything in NH - just Class III (and the other category for shortbarreled shotguns..can't recall off the top of my head). Heck, my CC permit was only $10.. :)
You're lucky. I live in Canadia. The restricted weapons license is something like $120 and then something like $50 to register each gun. I agree with the policy, anyway. I think taxation of undesired behavior/property is more effective than prohibition.

Of course, we have prohibition too. The government bans guns arbitrarily based on how 'mean' they look. We also don't have any sort of concealed carry license.
2006-03-29, 6:12 PM #73
Originally posted by Jon`C:
You're lucky. I live in Canadia. The restricted weapons license is something like $120 and then something like $50 to register each gun. I agree with the policy, anyway. I think taxation of undesired behavior/property is more effective than prohibition.

Of course, we have prohibition too. The government bans guns arbitrarily based on how 'mean' they look. We also don't have any sort of concealed carry license.


Firearms are undesired property? Please don't get me started. Here in the States, we have what's called the Bill of Rights..the US Consitution..stuff like that. ;)

You can open-carry a loaded handgun in NH with no permit. AZ as well - AZ does require a permit for concealed carry (as does NH, unless the firearm is not loaded - then no permit is required). No permit is required in Alaska or VT either. Somehow, the crime rate in those states isn't exactly high.. ;)

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The government bans guns arbitrarily based on how 'mean' they look.

So did ours - the Clinton "Assault Weapons Ban". Fortunately, it sunsetted in Sept of '04 and nobody bothered to renew it. :)
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2006-03-29, 6:38 PM #74
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
If I was going to kill someone I would probably use a silenced, illiegal (so as not to be traced) long range rifle. If I was going to go on a rampage I would make bombs, put them in a Wal-Mart and detonate them on the day after thanks giving. If I wanted to kill a person face to face I'd use a silenced pistol.

That was awfully...detailed. :eek:
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2006-03-29, 6:41 PM #75
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
If I was going to kill someone I would probably use a silenced, illiegal (so as not to be traced) long range rifle. If I was going to go on a rampage I would make bombs, put them in a Wal-Mart and detonate them on the day after thanks giving. If I wanted to kill a person face to face I'd use a silenced pistol.
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2006-03-29, 6:41 PM #76
Lever Action Remington .22 Rifle
Ruger 10/.22
Remington 20 Guage Shotgun
Remington 12 Guage Shotgun
Remington 12 Guage Shotgun (modified for use with slugs)
Lever action .243
Mosin Nagant M44 7.62x54R Rifle

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2006-03-29, 6:55 PM #77
guns. one day, one miraculous day, everyone in the US will wake up and decide to stop shooting people. then they'll say 'see. guns don't kill people. we told you so.' :rolleyes:
2006-03-29, 7:01 PM #78
Originally posted by JLee:
Firearms are undesired property?
...The government would prefer it if we didn't have guns. Ergo, they are "undesired property". I think drugs should be legal too, but I think they should be heavily taxed (unless a drug-friendly parliament is elected into power).

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Please don't get me started.
OK since you didn't understand what I was saying anyway

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Here in the States,
I don't care, I live in Canada.

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we have what's called the Bill of Rights..
Don't care, I wasn't talking about the States, I was talking about Canada.

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the US Consitution..stuff like that. ;)
Canada has a Constitution too, only it defines our social responsibilities. It's our societal contract. The Bill of Rights states what we can do, and the Criminal Code states what we cannot do.

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You can open-carry a loaded handgun in NH with no permit. AZ as well - AZ does require a permit for concealed carry (as does NH, unless the firearm is not loaded - then no permit is required). No permit is required in Alaska or VT either. Somehow, the crime rate in those states isn't exactly high.. ;)
Their population density is also very low. Crime rates increase exponentially as population density increases. If you throw in non-restricted concealed carry it's like throwing a grenade into an outhouse.
I think concealed carry licenses should be available everywhere, but I also think it should require something on the order of the IPSC Black Badge certification. If you give a mugger what he wants, he probably won't hurt you - but if you pull a gun on him and accidentally shoot an innocent bystander, I think you should get murder 2.

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So did ours - the Clinton "Assault Weapons Ban". Fortunately, it sunsetted in Sept of '04 and nobody bothered to renew it. :)
Uh... no, your government didn't. The AWB was much much much less arbitrary than our gun laws. The AWB set specific limits on how many assault weapon-like features a gun can have; our Criminal Code singles out specific firearms and ammunition even when they would otherwise satisfy the restricted or non-restricted firearms requirements. The PS90 is a perfect example: the 5.7 x 28 mm round and P90 CLIP! are specifically prohibited here, even though the PS90 itself is not a terribly effective firearm.
2006-03-29, 10:25 PM #79
Don't have any. Not really my thing. If I were going to learn how to use a weapon, it would be a bladed instrument, as they are far more awesome.

I do, however, support the 2nd Amendment, and think it's completely okay for a person to own a gun.
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2006-03-29, 11:01 PM #80
Hmm, let's see if I can remember them all.

Something like three .22's
One .243
One .280
One 30-30
One 30-06
Double barrel 20-gauge shotgun
Single barrel 20-gauge shotgun
Single barrel 12-gauge shotgun
Two inline muzzle loading black powder rifles

One .22 revolver
Three .38 specials

And I'm sure I missed one or two things, most are Remington or Winchester, but I always mix up which ones are which. Of course they're all sitting at home, not here. Needless to say, I grew around guns and hunting my entire life. Can't even remember how young I was when I shot my first .22. Living out in the country with nothing but woods behind your house did have the advantage of not requiring going to a range to shoot, since the back yard was the range basically.
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