...and has no idea what he's talking about

"Oh hay guys. I'm a hyper-liberal assclown so all Conservative governments everywhere are EVIL and all Liberal governments everywhere are GOOD AND HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS."

Gee, like he hasn't noticed our Liberal party running our country into the ground over and over again, until all that's left is a messy red and white streak across the pavement of world opinion. Of course he wouldn't mention that, because that would be the truth and you can never tell the truth when you direct documentaries guys!

Ironically enough, while he spends most of his time sputtering and fuming about how evil American politics are, he's doing exactly the same thing here by trying to implicate himself in the affairs of other nations simply because he lives near them.

Now, I ordinarily don't care what Moore says. I've never subjected myself to one of his self-satirical films, and prior to this he's generally steered away from topics which concern me. So, now that he's actually tried talking about something I care about and know about, he's presented himself to me as quite the enormous pile of bull****. He quite obviously does no research about any subjects he discusses whatsoever.

What do you people think about this man's opinion of Canadian politics?

Harper is like a canadian bush. If you like him so much, why don't you go live down south?

The last thing I want to see is canada being turned into a mini-america. What I like so much about this country is that it's so much less conservative than the US, and that creates a much needed contrast. That's what moore is saying - not that 'all conservatives are evil and must die'. Another good thing about this country is that you can feel relatively safe here. Sure, we collaborate with the US by offering aid here and there, but we don't charge into war. Mainly, because we don't have the ressources - but also, because we don't want to be a primary terrorist target. Harper wants to take that away.

Thinking of the seperation of quebec, I've never been a big fan of it, but if harper is the alternative, it's starting to look more and more like a good idea. :/

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

Apparently you also enjoy the contrast that Canada has no money left.



It might shock you to hear this, but if Quebec wants to leave - hell, I'll drive down there and help you rip up Government of Canada signs.

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Ermm yeah, and I suppose that's all martin's fault. Oh and look, the guy likes child pornography, too!

A big part of the debt dates back to when the conservatives were last in power and screwed things up.

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

This question isn't really for me because I'm not Canadian, but I can only take your word for it being bull. I WOULD like to see some more Canadian opinions, though, particularly from the Quebec...ians here.

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If you can read this, you need better glasses.

The Quebecois have wanted to leave this country for the past 30 years. They don't call themselves Canadians and their politicians don't care about the country at all.

Quebecois political views do not reflect those of the rest of the nation.

Yeah, right, and the fact that our current government "mysteriously" loses billions of dollars and can't find it is what now?

We may be rid of another corrupt prime minister, but do you think our next one will clean out the Liberal party and keep the same thing from happening again? Hahaha. The Liberals wouldn't have let him lead the party if they were actually going to lose their all-expenses paid vacations to Cuba.

more like 244 years.



wrong.



wrong.



aaand wrong.


Well, guess you've done a pretty good job proving your complete ignorance regarding the province of quebec. Moving on.

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

Rather, you've done a pretty good job proving your ignorance about the rest of the country.

Oh wait, I guess it's true that a few of us do want you to leave, so I guess you're kinda right there.

I don't really care who gets elected. Hell, get the Bloc Quebecois in power. I'm sure Alberta wouldn't be taking it up the *** from your province any more than we already are.
But we've been running under a Tory provincial government for years and - guess what? We're the only province that isn't billions of dollars in the hole. Don't knock it until you try it.

One of these days you'll break a leg but the government won't have enough money to set it. What will you do then?

One final comment before I watch movies, directed mainly toward Flexor:

You know the only reason why there's even a debate between the Liberal party and the Conservative party is because the Liberals have done such a poor job? Every single election the numbers between the Liberal party and the official opposition get closer and closer. It isn't because the opposition has a better platform, or even a different one. Every year the Liberal party is in power, is another year where the ineffective and costly status quo is maintained.

Like I said: I don't care if it's the conservative party. I, along with many, many, many Canadians, want the Liberal party out for a term. That's what this is all about.
If you like the Liberal party so much, why don't you empty your wallet on the street and start a small bonfire?

Really? Then you won't mind explaining how.



The people of quebec don't hate canada, though most of us are sick of all the racism coming from the west - one of the reasons so many of us want to leave.



The bloc can't hold power. Their ultimate goal is the separatist movement. If they achieve their goal and quebec seperates, they cease to exist.

I guess you're the one who doesn't know much about the rest of the country.

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!



[This message has been edited by Flexor (edited June 25, 2004).]

I'd rather have the NDP in power, but I don't really think they stand a chance right now - and I won't risk voting for them when the race is so close.

The liberals aren't perfect, but they're way better than a fanatic like harper.



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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

I find Canadian political debates fascinating. I know nothing about how Canadian politics work, yet it's fun just to sit and read them.

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What the ****? just because we have different politicial views than the english canada it doesn't count?. God forbid we care about our culture and own political developments! So now we're supposed to forget democracy, and not vote for who we ****ing WANT to vote, but vote for who we think has the best chances of being elected? hah! that's some nice democracy right here. I'd move to the states BEFORE living in an americanized canada and quebec. So now, I have to choose between Martin's government, who's been pulling money from nowhere to pockets of "friends" all over and himself, and between harper who will stop active bilinguism legislation. And then you have those two saying, in Quebec: A vote for the Bloc is a vote for the Liberals/Conservators. and in english provinces it's the NPD that gets the same "hidden vote" label.



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Ooohh... an east vs. west political battle here at Massassi.

I'll come at ya from the center of it all and the only place federal politics matter in Canada, Toronto. (sorry Jon'C, i'm just joking).

Quebec voted in a liberal government last term which was very good to see for Quebec.
And as we can see, the only Quebec politicians that want to separate are the Bloc.

As for this Monday, I am voting liberal so we can all keep our health care, no matter what state it may be in. I am also becoming more politically active in my life so that I can find out where billions of my money went.
I refuse to vote for a David Duke look alike (Harper)(Duke actually held political office for some time) that wants to make it even more difficult for people who earn $20k/yr. to get looked after. I hope he doesn't gat too many votes.
Although I actually don't fully trust Martin, I know Layton will spend us into oblivion. Forget him.
I would like to vote green to send a message and hopefully give them a seat in parliament but I have to make sure Harper doesn't make it.

btw, it's very important what our 2 countries think about each other's politics and policies. We trade and deal with each other so much, a polical vote on one side will definatley affect the other side.

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Yes, as much as I -hate- to admit it, realistically the liberal is the best case scenario right now. if it wasn't for their damn leaders and corruption.. (guess that's what happens when a party stays in power for 10 years... they learn the tricks..) . There just needs to be another term for a major change in the political climate.

If not, then we all suck because it shouldn't take that long.

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after reading your post Evad, I'd have to say you're right about each country affecting the other politically speaking. If the general canadian populace disagrees with what's going on in america, they'll tend to lean towards someone who doesn't agree with what's going on, and vice versa.

Works in america "sometimes", but it's true (albeit a bit sad) that america influences canada more than we do to them.

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Hey Jon`C, remember when Brian Mulroney sold the soul of Canada to America? He lost us around 40 billion dollars, and this was a while back, when that was a lot? I mean, c'mon, the Former Conservative Prime Minister gave a eulogy at Reagen's funeral for God's sake.

You can't nit-pick over the whole Paul-Martin-stealing-money-for-him-and-his-buddies-flim-flam, because everybody in power does that. We just give them permission to do so by voting for them.

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I sure as hell hope that you're not talking about the last provincial term, because I do not know anybody who would agree with you there.



People here call themselves french-canadians. And of course Quebecois political views do not reflect those of the rest of the nation, neither do the views in the maritimes, or on the west coast for that matter. God forbid that people in different situations may think differently.



Bingo. How quickly people forget.



How do you think Jean Charest got to power in Quebec? And then look what happened.



That is very true. I have family in Fort McMurray and just outside of Edmonton (near Spruce Grove), and whenever my mom and I go and visit (like every 3 years) all we here about are I (not my mom) am from Quebec, and that my province is full of a bunch of asshats, and that the french should get the **** out of Canada. It really pisses me off.



I hate how they're saying that you shouldn't vote for the Bloc, that it's a wasted vote. A vote for someone who believes in the same things I do and who is there to protect my interests is not a vote wasted.



Exactly, and having an idiot like Harper doing it would piss me off even more.

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[This message has been edited by MaD CoW (edited June 25, 2004).]

The problem with everyone running the Liberals out of power is that nobody is stopping to decide if anyone else is really much better. Both Harper and Layton plan to run this country into the ground! Look at Harper's platform! You already admitted we have no money, but Harper is calling for TAX CUTS and INCREASES TO SPENDING. Now, I don't know what world you live in, but let's simplify the terms a bit.

You're making 1 million dollars in tax revenue.
You're spending 2 million dollars in your budget.
Deficit: 1 million dollars.

Okay, now figure in tax cuts and spending increases:

You're making 0.5 million dollars in tax revenue.
You're spending 2.5 million dollars in your budget.
Deficit: 2 million dollars.

Anyway, my point is, the Liberals are the ONLY party out there that is touting a reasonable and credible financial policy. I'd love to vote for an alternative, but there are no alternatives!

Besides, Harper's an American wannabe, and if there's one thing that Canadians hold dear, it's the fact that we're not the 51st state.

- Harper would have had us in the war in Iraq.
- Harper would not have fought for canadian softwood lumber.
- Harper would be all 'grovel grovel sucky sucky' up to the American government, doing pretty much whatever they say as fast as he could.

We're Canadian, we're different, we're seperate. Why are people would be so blind as to vote for the conservatives for the sole reason of not wanting liberals in power makes no sense to me. Fools, all of 'em.

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[This message has been edited by Juztyn (edited June 25, 2004).]

Haha, Canadian debates are almost funnier than American ones!

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<3 Juz

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When guitars are outlawed, only outlaws will have guitars.

Parti Bleue, Partie Bleue! /grin

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MaD CoW, that was my opinion. I should've stated that.

Also, if the Bloc didn't have 'Take more money from the feds' and 'Separate from Canada' as their top 2 things to do, I would say they have some good policy to go forward.

One of the reasons I say that is, I agree the provinces should get more money from the feds (especialy the maritimes and the praries) but I would guess that the Bloc would take 50% of federal income and divide the rest up between the other provinces and territories.
They feel they have been wronged for way too long (maybe they have) for me to trust them one iota.

Martin is a crook. He knows we're all on to him. His platform makes the most sense for Canadians. I think we will all win with another liberal government.

btw, with billions and billions of dollars going across the Windsor/Detroit border monthly, we affect each other more than most Americans and Canadians know. Just look at what happened with one mad cow. Jon'C is probably seeing this first hand. The Americans are mad at us for not supporting them so they won't let any cattle across the border. That was months and months ago. So many people have lost their jobs and it's costing the tax payers of Canada hundreds of millions of dollars to try and do something about it. Bush just won't open the border.
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Pissed off?

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Besides, Harper's an American wannabe, and if there's one thing that Canadians hold dear, it's the fact that we're not the 51st state.
Hmm..they've discovered our methods. I must notify the Brothers about this. *slips into shadow*

But really. It sounds like Canadian politics are kinda like our own. Liberals, conservatives, spending, taxing, foreign policy.

And just ignore Moore. He's an idiot.

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Yah, Bush's cabinet sucks. I don't mind Bush, but for god's sakes, his cabinet is so shady and secretive it's not even funny. Bush himself isn't that bad, other than being an idiot.

I wish there were a better candidate than Kerry, but unfortunately, it looks like Bush will be our only choice for this next election.

I hate politics.

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I have no clue about Canadian politics, but I want to mention a few things.

Moore is a self described hard core socialist. Is it really a suprise he would go after any right-wing government?

I like Bush, even though he isn't exactly the quickest President we've had. But I don't like most of his cabinet. The only member I really like is Colin Powell. I like him more than Bush.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited June 25, 2004).]

I watched an open discussion with all the candidates from our area, and the PC's candidate was terrible. He couldn't answer any question without bringing up religion or attacking the Liberals on a complete tangent. The Liberal candidate was much better, but the best public speaker was easily the NDP's candidate. Too bad candidates don't really count for anything more than their party's name.

Anyways, I'm scared at what's going to happen because the Conservative's polls are so high, but at least they'll be a minority government if they do get in. They won't be able to do much if the Liberals and NDP got over %50 of the seats combined.

Anyways, as far as money wasting, what Flexor said. So many people forget the mess that Bill left us the last time Canada made the mistake of electing a Conservative government.

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The End.
~ Wolfy

There are other parties besides the Liberals and the Conservatives in Canada.

Oh wow. thank you mister obvious.

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like...dude...vote for the Marijuana Party. There awesome man!

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WAITER: Here’s your green salad, sir.
ANAKIN: What? You fool, I told you NO CROUTONS! Aaaaaaargh!

I kind of like the NDP. I kind of like the Greens too, but it's probably easy to make yourself look good compared to the Liberals (who I would have voted for) and the Conservatives (who are nuts).

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Fixed. =P

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