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100 year old Color Photographs (56k warning)
2006-08-14, 3:19 PM #1
From circa. 1907-1915, taken in the Russian Empire, "prior to the advent of color photography" and in extremely good quality.


Quote:
His process used a camera that took a series of monochrome pictures in rapid sequence, each through a different coloured filter. By projecting all three monochrome pictures using correctly-coloured light, it was possible to reconstruct the original colour scene. [...] It was only with the advent of digital image processing that the images could be satisfactorily combined into one.


Just thought it was kind of interesting :]

Quote:
The photographs of Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii (1863-1944) offer a vivid portrait of a lost world--the Russian Empire on the eve of World War I and the coming revolution. His subjects ranged from the medieval churches and monasteries of old Russia, to the railroads and factories of an emerging industrial power, to the daily life and work of Russia's diverse population.

His own original research yielded patents for producing color film slides and for projecting color motion pictures. Around 1907 Prokudin-Gorskii envisioned and formulated a plan to use the emerging technological advancements that had been made in color photography to systematically document the Russian Empire. Through such an ambitious project, his ultimate goal was to educate the schoolchildren of Russia with his "optical color projections" of the vast and diverse history, culture, and modernization of the empire.

His process used a camera that took a series of monochrome pictures in rapid sequence, each through a different coloured filter. By projecting all three monochrome pictures using correctly-coloured light, it was possible to reconstruct the original colour scene. He also successfully experimented with making color prints of the photographs, but the process was complicated and slow. Any stray movement within the camera's field of view showed up in the prints as multiple "ghosted" images, since the red, green and blue images were taken of the subject at slightly different times. It was only with the advent of digital image processing that the images could be satisfactorily combined into one.


You can find all of them here:
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/

Some samples:

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87-6040.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87-7001.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_4499__00747_.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_2067__00279_.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_6744__01441_.jpg]
2006-08-14, 3:19 PM #2
[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87-5251.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_4363__00636_.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87-4240.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87-2024.jpg]

[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/images/p87_7238__01602_.jpg]
2006-08-14, 3:24 PM #3
Sweet.
2006-08-14, 3:26 PM #4
Wow. It has the same kind of contrast and grittiness you expect from old B/W photos, but in the kind of vivid color we only really got right in the past 20 odd years.

-How are they still so well preserved?
2006-08-14, 3:34 PM #5
Looks like he had some trouble getting the smoke right, lol :v:
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2006-08-14, 3:36 PM #6
Its amazing how something as simple as color can add emotion to something that probably would have just faded away in an archive.
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2006-08-14, 3:36 PM #7
:ninja:

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2006-08-14, 3:39 PM #8
I heard about these some time ago, but never got to see the pictures

me likey
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2006-08-14, 3:46 PM #9
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
']:ninja:

OLD NEWZ

100 year old newz.
But still swank.

-The smoke and water and stuff like that are a little off, yes. Reading the way he did it, though, it's just damn amazing.
2006-08-14, 3:50 PM #10
This will take a little time to adjust to. Every time I think of anything pre-1950's I picture it in black and white :o
2006-08-14, 3:50 PM #11
Those look really awesome. Some of them are almost surreal, like the guy sitting on the other side of the stream.
2006-08-14, 3:54 PM #12
Wow. That's absolutely amazing. *saves*
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2006-08-14, 3:55 PM #13
That first picture looks almost like a painting. Nice.
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2006-08-14, 4:03 PM #14
This is crazy .. hahah
I'm a history nerd and I really love this .. primarily because when I see color photos (especially in such high quality), my mind automatically puts me "in" the picture because I associate it with present day .. and I get that feeling that I can totally relate to and experience what the place was like. Normally with old photos, black and white photos, etc. there is the feeling of disconnectedness that makes it seem like it was eons ago in another world, where the humans aren't even humans and the trees and sky and road are alien .. these photos make 1911 feel like today, here, etc..

And it kind of makes human history feel really short
If only there were such photographs from the egyptians or the chinese in 3000 BC :psyduck:

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2006-08-14, 4:42 PM #15
I wonder if they took any photo pictures with this in the concentration camps? Are there more of these photos?
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2006-08-14, 6:03 PM #16
Woah, those are amazing.
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2006-08-14, 7:09 PM #17
But was this technique spread around the world?
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2006-08-14, 7:22 PM #18
That's really cool. First time I saw these pictures I could of sworn they were taken yesterday.
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2006-08-14, 8:17 PM #19
Originally posted by Patriot:
That's really cool. First time I saw these pictures I could of sworn they were taken yesterday.


Well, maybe not yesterday. Maybe more like in the 80s and 70s?
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2006-08-14, 9:39 PM #20
Wow! That is some amazing false color work.

I will have this man's children 3 fold if he restores some more WW2 B/W photography.
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2006-08-14, 9:57 PM #21
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
I will have this man's children 3 fold if he restores some more WW2 B/W photography.


...?
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2006-08-14, 10:02 PM #22
How is it false color?

I don't think he can just "restore" any WW2 images because they probably didn't use his technique and probably because he's not alive anymore. That also makes having his kids kinda hard.
2006-08-14, 10:05 PM #23
Originally posted by Echoman:
...?

My diction fails me tonight.

Meant to say I will be happy if he were to colorize old WW2 photographs.
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2006-08-14, 10:06 PM #24
...?

It seems there is more "fail" than your diction.
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2006-08-14, 10:07 PM #25
Am I missing something..?
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2006-08-14, 10:07 PM #26
Maybe.
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2006-08-14, 10:13 PM #27
Originally posted by finity5:
Looks like he had some trouble getting the smoke right, lol :v:

I see power lines in that picture. Or maybe they're telephone lines. or something.
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2006-08-14, 10:24 PM #28
These are really awesome.


Originally posted by finity5:
Looks like he had some trouble getting the smoke right, lol :v:


The smoke isn't right probably because it moved in the time it took to take each color-filtered shot. Same with the blurry water. Also notice how everyone is posing and not moving.
2006-08-14, 10:26 PM #29
Most likely. Although I kinda like the ghost effect of the water.
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2006-08-15, 12:42 AM #30
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I see power lines in that picture. Or maybe they're telephone lines. or something.

I think they're telegraph wires.
I wouldn't know. My knowledge of pre-WWI Russian national communications and infrastructure is slightly shakier than my grasp on esoteric current techno music.

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2006-08-15, 12:57 AM #31
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
Am I missing something..?

http://forums.massassi.net/vb3/showthread.php?t=43141#post725997
Read the first post again. These photographs were actually taken in color using a primitive (though completely effective) technique. And that makes these even cooler than colorization.
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2006-08-15, 1:22 AM #32
Did someone say WW2?

http://himmelwerft.livejournal.com/459.html

One front anyway...

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2006-08-15, 2:05 AM #33
Amazing!
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2006-08-15, 2:55 AM #34
Originally posted by JediKirby:
I wonder if they took any photo pictures with this in the concentration camps? Are there more of these photos?

Uhm, these pictures are a little older than WW2.
I think colored photographs were available by WW2. You can find colored footage of Chaplin's "The Great Dictator", that his brother filmed.
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2006-08-15, 6:18 AM #35
Yeah, my dad has a book with colour photographs of WW2. I remember seeing colour pictures of the Germans invading Russia. This is a LOT older. Not sure about concentration camp pics... they exist in B&W, so it could be... I don't want to know actually.
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2006-08-15, 8:18 AM #36
If you want to see colour photographs of the Second World War as well as film-clips (e.g. Guncam footage of a P47 strafing german airfields and trains. Eight .50 cal. MG's do a LOT of damage and kick up huge amounts of earth while constantly streaming wispy tracers.) go to [url]www.ww2incolor.com[/url] and do a google video search for their footage.
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2006-08-15, 8:19 AM #37
i friggin knew it, i win the bet, i friggin knew black people didn't exist until the 50s.
2006-08-15, 8:25 AM #38
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2006-08-15, 9:12 AM #39
No no no, I've seen color photos from WW2.

The method this guy uses is superior to early color methods. I'm wondering if his color technique was ever used for WW2.
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2006-08-15, 9:17 AM #40
This site has some nice explanations of processes used in old movies to produce color. Like the photographs of Russia having trouble representing moving objects with simultaneous exposures, the films using similar techniques suffered from this as well.

[quote=From the Site]Systems that used either multiple lenses to achieve simultaneous exposures or single lenses taking successive exposures will always suffer from fringes and/or parallax error.[/quote]

The photograph below was produced ~1901 using three simultaneous colors (red/green/blue or red/blue/yellow). For a more impressive use of the two-tone technicolor method, check out 1925's Phantom of the Opera, one of the major "spectacle" films of its day, which had a color sequence... got the DVD here somewhere if I can find it.
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