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2006-08-14, 7:41 PM #1
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2312860,00.html

If this can be pulled off, that'd be really cool. Now all they need to do is find some preserved velociraptors... :P
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2006-08-14, 7:47 PM #2
They still wouldn't be mammoths, they'd be elephant-mammoths.

And that wouldn't work with dinosaur sperm because there's no animal similar enough to be fertilized.
2006-08-14, 7:52 PM #3
They could make mammoths just by cloning, these mammophants would be more "natural" though.
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2006-08-14, 7:53 PM #4
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2006-08-14, 7:55 PM #5
Originally posted by Roach:
They could make mammoths just by cloning, these mammophants would be more "natural" though.


hehe "mammophants"

:)

I want a mammophant <3
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2006-08-14, 8:02 PM #6
I don't know what to call them...Elemmoth sounds odd.
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2006-08-14, 8:23 PM #7
I would what a half mammoth would taste like. . .
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2006-08-14, 8:29 PM #8
Originally posted by Roach:
I don't know what to call them...Elemmoth sounds odd.


apparently people agree w/ you because I googled "mammophant" and there are a bunch of hits
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2006-08-14, 8:36 PM #9
They aren't half-elephant.


They use the genetic material on both the egg and sperm, fertilize, then shove it up the elephant's hoo ha.
2006-08-14, 8:37 PM #10
Try reading the article, Rob.

"The frozen mammoth sperm could be injected into elephant eggs, producing offspring that would be 50 per cent mammoth."
2006-08-14, 8:40 PM #11
Why do they have to do it differently for this?


Didn't they make the sheep by altering both the egg and the sperm?
2006-08-14, 8:48 PM #12
Soo.. Yay spermafrost?
2006-08-14, 8:48 PM #13
That's because they had both to work with. How about you go looking for a perfectly preserved female mammoth from 27,000 years ago, and *then* suggest that method?

(Of course, the article suggests a ****load of mammoths in Siberia, that may be entirely possible in the near future)
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2006-08-14, 8:49 PM #14
Originally posted by Rob:
Why do they have to do it differently for this?


Didn't they make the sheep by altering both the egg and the sperm?


If they could do it that way they would, don't you think? According to the article scientists think Mammoths and elephants are capable of breeding, so there you have it.
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2006-08-14, 8:52 PM #15
They can do that, Free, but that would be a clone. It seems like they want to bring this back in a more..."natural" way.
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2006-08-14, 8:54 PM #16
Originally posted by Rob:
Why do they have to do it differently for this?


Didn't they make the sheep by altering both the egg and the sperm?


They made dolly by taking one of the original sheep's cells and "tricking" its nucleus into restarting its growth cycle, then implanting it (the nucleus) into a nucleus-removed embryo and making it fuse and do its "normal" development

-- there was no sperm involved

The issue here w/ using this technique might be one of not being able to find a "functioning" (e.g. nucleus still capable of acting normally and doing cell-y things) somatic cell as well as a useable egg cell in a 27,000 year old frozen mammoth
一个大西瓜
2006-08-14, 9:04 PM #17
I believe the article implies that while sperm can survive thousands of years in a frozen state, eggs can't.

Anyway, this is old news... there's been talk of Eli/Mammoth breeding experiments for as long as I can remember reading science news.
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2006-08-14, 9:04 PM #18
I hope they make one and then it kills all the scientists who made it by goring them with his uberlong tusks.
2006-08-15, 3:30 PM #19
Originally posted by -Monoxide-:
I hope they make one and then it kills all the scientists who made it by goring them with his uberlong tusks.


That gives me the weird impression you think it will be born full sized and pissed off. But yes, that would be hilariously ironic.

A thought occurred to me at work about this. If they injected more mammoth sperm into the half mammoth, and continued the process for a few generations you would eventually have 100% mammoth. Yay, dominate genes!
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2006-08-15, 3:33 PM #20
Assuming the mammoth genes are dominant over elephants...
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2006-08-15, 3:52 PM #21
why bother playing god?

the ****ers became extinct for a reason, they must be a little bit ****ty therefore they don't deserve to live.
2006-08-15, 4:26 PM #22
Umm, ice age.
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2006-08-15, 4:28 PM #23
Well I love buffalo burgers, I can't wait to try a mammoth burger.
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2006-08-15, 5:36 PM #24
Who's to say that Mommoth's weren't evolved migrating herds of elephants that originated from Africa?

On that note, Elephants have evolved (even if 'in theory' less so obvious then their mammoth counter-parts) since that time. So wouldn't this be a form of de-evolution? Isn't evolution suppose to make us more effecient over time?

Just some random thoughts...

Note: I haven't done any research, I'm just speculating.
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2006-08-15, 11:50 PM #25
Originally posted by CaptBevvil:
On that note, Elephants have evolved (even if 'in theory' less so obvious then their mammoth counter-parts) since that time. So wouldn't this be a form of de-evolution? [/i]


Eh? If this was evolution, it took a very shot time. So I don't think this would be considered as a sort of "de-evolution."
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